Ubuntu Domain Server
Ryan Dwyer
ryandwyer1 at gmail.com
Thu Oct 22 03:19:12 UTC 2009
Do you think the Linux/Ubuntu community would be willing to change the way
system logons work if it meant bug #1 could be completed?
-Ryan
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Christopher Chan <
christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk> wrote:
> Ryan Dwyer wrote:
>
>> I've never used remote installation services or SCCM. I'll change the spec
>> so it doesn't deny their existence.
>>
>
> That will definitely give this credibility.
>
>
>> If you look at the mockup pictures I made email is the list and so is file
>> sharing. A centralised account database is so obvious that I didn't mention
>> it in the spec. It does mention it in the Name and Role mockup.
>>
>
> But that part will be the one that is fraught with challenges. For example,
> an existing 'standalone' machine cannot just 'join' a 'domain'. You have to
> reconcile the standalone machine's system accounts with those in the
> 'domain'. It might be so obvious but you have not addressed the challenge
> posed.
>
>
>> Your last line has got me curious. Why can't this be applied to Linux/UNIX
>> systems?
>>
>
> Eg: as above, there is no such thing as 'local' accounts and 'domain'
> accounts with Linux/UNIX systems.
>
>
>> -Ryan
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 2:29 AM, Chan Chung Hang Christopher <
>> christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk <mailto:christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Shentino wrote:
>>
>> My first impression is that it's something to look into.
>>
>>
>> Disk images? Give me a break. Disk images (a feature that Windows
>> Server does not have) will make this the laughing stock of the IT
>> world. There is a reason by Windows Server offers automatic remote
>> installation of workstations and not creation of disk images. It
>> is completely impractical and impossible if you include all the
>> various software that may need installing on the workstation. Even
>> I do not ghost the hundreds of Windows workstations I have to
>> manage here in the school whether by CD or over the network.
>> Automatic *installation* over the network complete with hostname
>> assignment on installation is what you want. Tools for this are
>> already in place. How about 'install image' that can be put on a
>> CD or a flash drive or loaded over the network and performs the
>> installation by prepping the box and then pulling the packages
>> over the network since you are targeting businesses.
>>
>> I love the part about auditing and centralized management of
>> software being features that Windows does not have. Ever heard of
>> System Management Server? Wait, that thing is ancient. Ever heard
>> of System Configuration Center Manager? Auditing, software
>> management, patch management, all there. Even without buying that,
>> you can already push software packages via group policy.
>>
>> Man, check out the competition before you got listing supposedly
>> missing features. What is with the love of NT-style domains or
>> terminology?
>>
>> Oh, where is the part about integrating services like email (I
>> think this is rather crucial to a business) and file/print? OH,
>> please do not forget a centralized user information database.
>> Somehow, the part about 'joining a workstation' sends shivers down
>> my spine on how you think this will be accomplished.
>>
>> I'm sure that us open source monkeys can improve on Microsoft
>> in this area
>> :)
>>
>>
>> Yeah. By doing things the 'Linux' way and not copying concepts
>> that even Microsoft has moved on from and cannot be applied to
>> Linux/UNIX operationg systems.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 6:24 AM, Ryan Dwyer
>> <ryandwyer1 at gmail.com <mailto:ryandwyer1 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I've made a specs page here:
>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBusinessServer
>> You can also see some mockup pictures I made here:
>> Name and Role:
>> http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/1210/namerole.png
>> Computer Details:
>> http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/1740/computerz.png
>> Workstation Images:
>> http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/6757/22666240.png
>> Web Server:
>> http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/1795/webserver.png
>>
>> I'm unsure at this stage whether I'll submit it to
>> Brainstorm or go
>> straight to a Launchpad blueprint, but at least I've got a
>> spec for people
>> to look at.
>>
>> Any feedback or suggestions are appreciated.
>>
>> -Ryan
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 11:43 PM, Chan Chung Hang
>> Christopher <
>> christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk
>> <mailto:christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Shentino wrote:
>>
>> I can't very well speak as a "heavy iron" type
>> server administrator but
>>
>> as
>>
>> an "end user peon", so to speak, I have found that
>> GUIs add convenience,
>>
>> and
>>
>> in many cases "point and click" is faster and more
>> convenient than doing
>> everything on a command line. Doubly so if due to
>> a caffeine shortage
>>
>> I'm a
>>
>> bit of a sloppy typist.
>> My two cents.
>>
>>
>> You obviously have not tried to 'point and click' a
>> few dozen iterations
>> while installing and configuring a Windows computer.
>> That is
>> INCONVENIENT and takes AGES. Although it is not
>> command line, I use
>> keyboard shortcuts to speed up the process. Alt-N,
>> Alt-A, Alt-I for
>> installing dotnetfx for example. No way you can beat
>> the keyboard. Even
>> better if you can use command line switches to forego
>> the entire process
>> of "point and click". A command line version asking
>> 'Y/N' is just as
>> likely to be faster than any point and click too.
>>
>>
>> This whole GUI for administration business is a
>> complete sham imho and
>> only serves the needs of paper MCSEs or whatever they
>> call the latest
>> version of certificates from Microsoft. These guys
>> need to LEARN MORE
>> whether they will continue administer Windows or move
>> to Linux.
>>
>>
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