Ubuntu Domain Server
Christopher Chan
christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk
Thu Oct 22 02:45:23 UTC 2009
Ryan Dwyer wrote:
> I've never used remote installation services or SCCM. I'll change the
> spec so it doesn't deny their existence.
That will definitely give this credibility.
>
> If you look at the mockup pictures I made email is the list and so is
> file sharing. A centralised account database is so obvious that I
> didn't mention it in the spec. It does mention it in the Name and Role
> mockup.
But that part will be the one that is fraught with challenges. For
example, an existing 'standalone' machine cannot just 'join' a 'domain'.
You have to reconcile the standalone machine's system accounts with
those in the 'domain'. It might be so obvious but you have not addressed
the challenge posed.
>
> Your last line has got me curious. Why can't this be applied to
> Linux/UNIX systems?
Eg: as above, there is no such thing as 'local' accounts and 'domain'
accounts with Linux/UNIX systems.
>
> -Ryan
>
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 2:29 AM, Chan Chung Hang Christopher
> <christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk
> <mailto:christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk>> wrote:
>
> Shentino wrote:
>
> My first impression is that it's something to look into.
>
>
>
> Disk images? Give me a break. Disk images (a feature that Windows
> Server does not have) will make this the laughing stock of the IT
> world. There is a reason by Windows Server offers automatic remote
> installation of workstations and not creation of disk images. It
> is completely impractical and impossible if you include all the
> various software that may need installing on the workstation. Even
> I do not ghost the hundreds of Windows workstations I have to
> manage here in the school whether by CD or over the network.
> Automatic *installation* over the network complete with hostname
> assignment on installation is what you want. Tools for this are
> already in place. How about 'install image' that can be put on a
> CD or a flash drive or loaded over the network and performs the
> installation by prepping the box and then pulling the packages
> over the network since you are targeting businesses.
>
> I love the part about auditing and centralized management of
> software being features that Windows does not have. Ever heard of
> System Management Server? Wait, that thing is ancient. Ever heard
> of System Configuration Center Manager? Auditing, software
> management, patch management, all there. Even without buying that,
> you can already push software packages via group policy.
>
> Man, check out the competition before you got listing supposedly
> missing features. What is with the love of NT-style domains or
> terminology?
>
> Oh, where is the part about integrating services like email (I
> think this is rather crucial to a business) and file/print? OH,
> please do not forget a centralized user information database.
> Somehow, the part about 'joining a workstation' sends shivers down
> my spine on how you think this will be accomplished.
>
> I'm sure that us open source monkeys can improve on Microsoft
> in this area
> :)
>
>
>
> Yeah. By doing things the 'Linux' way and not copying concepts
> that even Microsoft has moved on from and cannot be applied to
> Linux/UNIX operationg systems.
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 6:24 AM, Ryan Dwyer
> <ryandwyer1 at gmail.com <mailto:ryandwyer1 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
>
> I've made a specs page here:
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBusinessServer
> You can also see some mockup pictures I made here:
> Name and Role:
> http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/1210/namerole.png
> Computer Details:
> http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/1740/computerz.png
> Workstation Images:
> http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/6757/22666240.png
> Web Server:
> http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/1795/webserver.png
>
> I'm unsure at this stage whether I'll submit it to
> Brainstorm or go
> straight to a Launchpad blueprint, but at least I've got a
> spec for people
> to look at.
>
> Any feedback or suggestions are appreciated.
>
> -Ryan
>
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 11:43 PM, Chan Chung Hang
> Christopher <
> christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk
> <mailto:christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk>> wrote:
>
>
>
> Shentino wrote:
>
>
> I can't very well speak as a "heavy iron" type
> server administrator but
>
>
> as
>
>
> an "end user peon", so to speak, I have found that
> GUIs add convenience,
>
>
> and
>
>
> in many cases "point and click" is faster and more
> convenient than doing
> everything on a command line. Doubly so if due to
> a caffeine shortage
>
>
> I'm a
>
>
> bit of a sloppy typist.
> My two cents.
>
>
>
> You obviously have not tried to 'point and click' a
> few dozen iterations
> while installing and configuring a Windows computer.
> That is
> INCONVENIENT and takes AGES. Although it is not
> command line, I use
> keyboard shortcuts to speed up the process. Alt-N,
> Alt-A, Alt-I for
> installing dotnetfx for example. No way you can beat
> the keyboard. Even
> better if you can use command line switches to forego
> the entire process
> of "point and click". A command line version asking
> 'Y/N' is just as
> likely to be faster than any point and click too.
>
>
> This whole GUI for administration business is a
> complete sham imho and
> only serves the needs of paper MCSEs or whatever they
> call the latest
> version of certificates from Microsoft. These guys
> need to LEARN MORE
> whether they will continue administer Windows or move
> to Linux.
>
>
>
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