Ubuntu Domain Server

[Ryan Dwyer]

I've never used remote installation services or SCCM. I'll change the spec
so it doesn't deny their existence.

If you look at the mockup pictures I made email is the list and so is file
sharing. A centralised account database is so obvious that I didn't mention
it in the spec. It does mention it in the Name and Role mockup.

Your last line has got me curious. Why can't this be applied to Linux/UNIX
systems?

-Ryan

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 2:29 AM, Chan Chung Hang Christopher <
christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk> wrote:

> Shentino wrote:
>
>> My first impression is that it's something to look into.
>>
>>
>
> Disk images? Give me a break. Disk images (a feature that Windows Server
> does not have) will make this the laughing stock of the IT world. There is a
> reason by Windows Server offers automatic remote installation of
> workstations and not creation of disk images. It is completely impractical
> and impossible if you include all the various software that may need
> installing on the workstation. Even I do not ghost the hundreds of Windows
> workstations I have to manage here in the school whether by CD or over the
> network. Automatic *installation* over the network complete with hostname
> assignment on installation is what you want. Tools for this are already in
> place. How about 'install image' that can be put on a CD or a flash drive or
> loaded over the network and performs the installation by prepping the box
> and then pulling the packages over the network since you are targeting
> businesses.
>
> I love the part about auditing and centralized management of software being
> features that Windows does not have. Ever heard of System Management Server?
> Wait, that thing is ancient. Ever heard of System Configuration Center
> Manager? Auditing, software management, patch management, all there. Even
> without buying that, you can already push software packages via group
> policy.
>
> Man, check out the competition before you got listing supposedly missing
> features. What is with the love of NT-style domains or terminology?
>
> Oh, where is the part about integrating services like email (I think this
> is rather crucial to a business) and file/print? OH, please do not forget a
> centralized user information database. Somehow, the part about 'joining a
> workstation' sends shivers down my spine on how you think this will be
> accomplished.
>
>> I'm sure that us open source monkeys can improve on Microsoft in this area
>> :)
>>
>>
>
> Yeah. By doing things the 'Linux' way and not copying concepts that even
> Microsoft has moved on from and cannot be applied to Linux/UNIX operationg
> systems.
>
>
>  On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 6:24 AM, Ryan Dwyer <ryandwyer1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> I've made a specs page here:
>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBusinessServer
>>> You can also see some mockup pictures I made here:
>>> Name and Role: http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/1210/namerole.png
>>> Computer Details: http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/1740/computerz.png
>>> Workstation Images: http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/6757/22666240.png
>>> Web Server: http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/1795/webserver.png
>>>
>>> I'm unsure at this stage whether I'll submit it to Brainstorm or go
>>> straight to a Launchpad blueprint, but at least I've got a spec for
>>> people
>>> to look at.
>>>
>>> Any feedback or suggestions are appreciated.
>>>
>>> -Ryan
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 11:43 PM, Chan Chung Hang Christopher <
>>> christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Shentino wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I can't very well speak as a "heavy iron" type server administrator but
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> as
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> an "end user peon", so to speak, I have found that GUIs add
>>>>> convenience,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> and
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> in many cases "point and click" is faster and more convenient than
>>>>> doing
>>>>> everything on a command line.  Doubly so if due to a caffeine shortage
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I'm a
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> bit of a sloppy typist.
>>>>> My two cents.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> You obviously have not tried to 'point and click' a few dozen iterations
>>>> while installing and configuring a Windows computer. That is
>>>> INCONVENIENT and takes AGES. Although it is not command line, I use
>>>> keyboard shortcuts to speed up the process. Alt-N, Alt-A, Alt-I for
>>>> installing dotnetfx for example. No way you can beat the keyboard. Even
>>>> better if you can use command line switches to forego the entire process
>>>> of "point and click". A command line version asking 'Y/N' is just as
>>>> likely to be faster than any point and click too.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This whole GUI for administration business is a complete sham imho and
>>>> only serves the needs of paper MCSEs or whatever they call the latest
>>>> version of certificates from Microsoft. These guys need to LEARN MORE
>>>> whether they will continue administer Windows or move to Linux.
>>>>
>>>>
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