Do you think the Linux/Ubuntu community would be willing to change the way system logons work if it meant bug #1 could be completed?<div> </div><div>-Ryan <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Christopher Chan <<a href="mailto:christopher.chan@bradbury.edu.hk">christopher.chan@bradbury.edu.hk</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class="im">Ryan Dwyer wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> I've never used remote installation services or SCCM. I'll change the spec so it doesn't deny their existence. </blockquote> </div> That will definitely give this credibility.<div class="im"> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> If you look at the mockup pictures I made email is the list and so is file sharing. A centralised account database is so obvious that I didn't mention it in the spec. It does mention it in the Name and Role mockup. </blockquote> </div> But that part will be the one that is fraught with challenges. For example, an existing 'standalone' machine cannot just 'join' a 'domain'. You have to reconcile the standalone machine's system accounts with those in the 'domain'. It might be so obvious but you have not addressed the challenge posed.<div class="im"> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> Your last line has got me curious. Why can't this be applied to Linux/UNIX systems? </blockquote> </div> Eg: as above, there is no such thing as 'local' accounts and 'domain' accounts with Linux/UNIX systems. <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> -Ryan<div><div></div><div class="h5"> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 2:29 AM, Chan Chung Hang Christopher <<a href="mailto:christopher.chan@bradbury.edu.hk" target="_blank">christopher.chan@bradbury.edu.hk</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:christopher.chan@bradbury.edu.hk" target="_blank">christopher.chan@bradbury.edu.hk</a>>> wrote: Shentino wrote: My first impression is that it's something to look into. Disk images? Give me a break. Disk images (a feature that Windows Server does not have) will make this the laughing stock of the IT world. There is a reason by Windows Server offers automatic remote installation of workstations and not creation of disk images. It is completely impractical and impossible if you include all the various software that may need installing on the workstation. Even I do not ghost the hundreds of Windows workstations I have to manage here in the school whether by CD or over the network. Automatic *installation* over the network complete with hostname assignment on installation is what you want. Tools for this are already in place. How about 'install image' that can be put on a CD or a flash drive or loaded over the network and performs the installation by prepping the box and then pulling the packages over the network since you are targeting businesses. I love the part about auditing and centralized management of software being features that Windows does not have. Ever heard of System Management Server? Wait, that thing is ancient. Ever heard of System Configuration Center Manager? Auditing, software management, patch management, all there. Even without buying that, you can already push software packages via group policy. Man, check out the competition before you got listing supposedly missing features. What is with the love of NT-style domains or terminology? Oh, where is the part about integrating services like email (I think this is rather crucial to a business) and file/print? OH, please do not forget a centralized user information database. Somehow, the part about 'joining a workstation' sends shivers down my spine on how you think this will be accomplished. I'm sure that us open source monkeys can improve on Microsoft in this area :) Yeah. By doing things the 'Linux' way and not copying concepts that even Microsoft has moved on from and cannot be applied to Linux/UNIX operationg systems. On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 6:24 AM, Ryan Dwyer </div></div><div class="im"> <<a href="mailto:ryandwyer1@gmail.com" target="_blank">ryandwyer1@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:ryandwyer1@gmail.com" target="_blank">ryandwyer1@gmail.com</a>>> wrote: I've made a specs page here: <a href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBusinessServer" target="_blank">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBusinessServer</a> You can also see some mockup pictures I made here: Name and Role: <a href="http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/1210/namerole.png" target="_blank">http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/1210/namerole.png</a> Computer Details: <a href="http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/1740/computerz.png" target="_blank">http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/1740/computerz.png</a> Workstation Images: <a href="http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/6757/22666240.png" target="_blank">http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/6757/22666240.png</a> Web Server: <a href="http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/1795/webserver.png" target="_blank">http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/1795/webserver.png</a> I'm unsure at this stage whether I'll submit it to Brainstorm or go straight to a Launchpad blueprint, but at least I've got a spec for people to look at. Any feedback or suggestions are appreciated. -Ryan On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 11:43 PM, Chan Chung Hang Christopher < <a href="mailto:christopher.chan@bradbury.edu.hk" target="_blank">christopher.chan@bradbury.edu.hk</a> </div><div><div></div><div class="h5"> <mailto:<a href="mailto:christopher.chan@bradbury.edu.hk" target="_blank">christopher.chan@bradbury.edu.hk</a>>> wrote: Shentino wrote: I can't very well speak as a "heavy iron" type server administrator but as an "end user peon", so to speak, I have found that GUIs add convenience, and in many cases "point and click" is faster and more convenient than doing everything on a command line. Doubly so if due to a caffeine shortage I'm a bit of a sloppy typist. My two cents. You obviously have not tried to 'point and click' a few dozen iterations while installing and configuring a Windows computer. That is INCONVENIENT and takes AGES. Although it is not command line, I use keyboard shortcuts to speed up the process. Alt-N, Alt-A, Alt-I for installing dotnetfx for example. No way you can beat the keyboard. Even better if you can use command line switches to forego the entire process of "point and click". A command line version asking 'Y/N' is just as likely to be faster than any point and click too. This whole GUI for administration business is a complete sham imho and only serves the needs of paper MCSEs or whatever they call the latest version of certificates from Microsoft. These guys need to LEARN MORE whether they will continue administer Windows or move to Linux. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list <a href="mailto:Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank">Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com</a> </div></div> <mailto:<a href="mailto:Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank">Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com</a>><div class="im"> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss</a> -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list <a href="mailto:Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank">Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com</a> </div> <mailto:<a href="mailto:Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank">Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com</a>><div class="im"> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss</a> </div></blockquote> </blockquote></div> </div>