Ubuntu Domain Server

[Derek Broughton]

Christopher Chan wrote:

> Luke L wrote:
>> I read some comments on this thread, and I feel I must chime in,
>> because I get furious at the anti-GUI people.
>>   
> 
> Where? Where? I don't remember anybody being explicitly anti-GUI.

No, it's been explicitly anti-anybody-who-can't-configure-a-server-without-
a-GUI.  Clearly a whole different issue.

>> It's been said before, and I will say it again. Stupid people will do
>> stupid things, one way or another. I do know that often times, with
>> repeatable tasks and with things that can be done step-by-step, a GUI
>> can be useful in keeping the learning curve low. Can a low learning
>> curve make some people think they know what they're doing, when they
>> may not? Yes. Still, you are artificially setting the bar for time and
>> energy spent HIGHER for those of us who could and/or do know the
>> consequences of our actions.
>>   
> 
> Ah yes, you are one of those who advocate letting people who know all
> about putting their foot on the accelerator and nothing about traffic
> laws loose on streets with automatics because they are easier to drive
> than manuals.

Good analogy.  They still have to pass a driving test.  If they can't drive 
a stick-shift, then I definitely want them driving an automatic, so there's 
one less thing to distract them.  My mother never could get the hang of a 
standard transmission.  As soon as we got an automatic, she passed her test 
and has always been a far better driver than me...

> So there is webmin, ..., ..., ..., oh you don't like them because they
> don't also steer for you or something?

I don't think anybody in favour of the idea has even suggested that webmin 
might not be an appropriate tool, though I admit I've been out of the 
discussion for a couple of weeks.

> Unskilled users have no business running servers. This is where a lot of
> you and a fair few of us differ. 

No, really.  Nobody is arguing that they _should_ run servers.  
Unfortunately, it's going to happen, and it's better for everybody if they 
can't shoot themselves - and the rest of us - in the foot while they're 
doing it.
-- 
derek