Do you really want developers to be on this list was (Re: Very bad status of hardware (especially wifi) support =?iso-8859-1?q?in=09ubuntu?=, due to the too many accumulated regressions)

Scott Kitterman ubuntu at
Tue Nov 11 01:00:06 UTC 2008

On Monday 10 November 2008 18:14, Vincenzo Ciancia wrote:
> On 10/11/2008 Bryce Harrington wrote:
> > > > You should know them very well :) In fact you were "assigned" to
> > the
> > > > case  some point in time between winter and spring, or at least
> > these
> > > > were the words of somebody on the ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing
> > list.
> >
> > I wasn't assigned, but I did work on your bug around that time, and
> > found it to be an upstream bug so forwarded it.
> Yes I didn't ever take those words for serious but there was a thread on
> this mailing list where an ubuntu developer said that "an xorg developer
> had been assigned to the case". I was just joking about you having to
> know anything.

There has been a fair amount of chatter recently on IRC channels frequented by 
Ubuntu developers (none of which are secret, BTW) about the signal to noise 
ratio on this list.  Many indicated that they are no longer subscribed.

This list was created to give users a way to discuss Ubuntu development with 
developers.  Comments like "I was just joking about you having to know 
anything" make the decision to unsubscribe easy.  I'm seriously considering 
it myself.

I can understand being unhappy about regressions in particular and problems in 
general.  I'm not happy when they hit me (there are items in the release 
notes for 8.10 that are there because of 'fun' I had after upgrading).

I would encourage you (and others, you certainly aren't the only one) to hold 
your temper and if you can't say something helpful, just take your hands off 
the keyboard.  Being angry, contemptuous, and disrespectful won't get your 
bugs fixed faster.  What it will get you is yet another list with no 
developers on it and you upset you can't get in touch with them.

Scott K

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