Do you really want developers to be on this list was (Re: Very bad status of hardware (especially wifi) support in ubuntu, due to the too many accumulated regressions)

Vincenzo Ciancia ciancia at
Tue Nov 11 02:27:55 UTC 2008

On 11/11/2008 Scott Kitterman wrote:
> I would encourage you (and others, you certainly aren't the only one) 
> to hold 
> your temper and if you can't say something helpful, just take your 
> hands off 
> the keyboard.  Being angry, contemptuous, and disrespectful won't get 
> your 
> bugs fixed faster.  What it will get you is yet another list with no 
> developers on it and you upset you can't get in touch with them.

You are perfectly right, this went out of my control, and I appreciated 
a lot the responses I got on various other issues in the past. I stop 
now on the topic.

The only seriously valid point for you developers in my e-mails - I 
think - and the one I wanted to expose in the first e-mail I wrote - is 
that we users really need a seriously maintained hardware database, and 
a serious attention to all hardware related regressions, because you 
can't change your hardware like you can change your software. This is 
what from times to times leads me to a complete demotivation on keeping 
supporting ubuntu - and I bet you as a developer care, not of me in 
particular, but of the numbers. Ubuntu is so popular because developers 
care about usability and understand what it is, but also because users 
are openly advertising and supporting it as if it was The Salvation from 
the Evil Microsoft. Don't loose this important advantage.

If you start an officially endorsed hardware database with a forum for 
comments and user-to-user support in launchpad etc, and keep an eye open 
on regressions in hardware support, that should promptly be acknowledged 
and put aside the relevant entries in the hardware database itself, and 
that ideally should never be propagated to stable releases, but 
_usually_ do, I am sure your user community will make a great job in 
populating it. If you don't do that because of lack of manpower... I 
understand and accept the reality.



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