Dialogue and moving forward

[Valorie Zimmerman]

On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 6:19 PM, Benjamin Kerensa <bkerensa at ubuntu.com> wrote:
> I think trying to remove either would not be in the best interest
> of KC or UCC. One piece of advice Jono once gave me was
> not to delete blog posts but to take responsibility for them.

Deleting a blog post or adding a note to it is one thing. A Fridge
post is something else. The Fridge is a news site, and it was
inappropriate and continues to be damaging to have that post "live."

The information is available on the list if people choose to search
for it. We don't ask for secrecy, but we'd like to stop the flashing
neon sign.

> Both statements are obviously crawled, linked to and
> seen by thousands. Removing them now with positions
> unchanged would probably just trigger Streisand effect.
> If anything I suggest a meeting between the UCC
> and KC to try and find a way forward that is mutually
> agreeable.

My email is an attempt to move towards such a meeting.

> This disagreement cannot continue it is unhealthy for
> the Kubuntu Community and Greater Ubuntu Community.
>
> In fact I bet other flavors and upstreams are paying attention
> to what happens here and not resolving this could impact
> more than just Ubuntu and Kubuntu.

Of course, which is why both sides are trying to continue the dialogue.

Valorie

> Now is the time to work this out and then you can
> decide on issuing a new joint statement perhaps?
>
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Michael Hall <mhall119 at ubuntu.com> wrote:
>>
>> [CC only]
>>
>> Charles and I spoke briefly about #3 on IRC, and I wanted to relay the
>> results of that to the rest of the council.
>>
>> We agreed that we should let the Kubuntu Council know that we are
>> willing to remove the Fridge post as they requested, but that we want to
>> discuss with them the wording of notice we would put in it's place, and
>> also that we would like to discuss having ScottK's blog post that
>> contained our private emails similarly taken offline.
>>
>> Importantly neither step would be done, or be required to be done,
>> before we meet with them, but rather would be a result that comes out of
>> our meeting with them.
>>
>> Michael Hall
>> mhall119 at ubuntu.com
>>
>> On 06/17/2015 05:32 PM, Valorie Zimmerman wrote:
>> > To the Ubuntu Community Council and Community list, from the Kubuntu
>> > Council:
>> >
>> > We've been asked to meet with you. In order to make this a productive
>> > session, we say:
>> >
>> > 1. We believe it is important for Ubuntu to have a KDE flavor, and
>> > important for KDE to have an Ubuntu distribution. Therefore if Kubuntu
>> > can continue, we should all do what we can to further that.
>> >
>> > 2. Going over the history of the situation will just raise emotion,
>> > rather than engage our creativity. Emotion is a strength, as it fuels
>> > our motivation to keep on working. However emotion has no place in
>> > laying plans for the future. If each of us is invested in defending
>> > our positions and past actions, we will not move forward.
>> >
>> > 3. The article about Jonathan should be removed from the Fridge, since
>> > this is written entirely from the point of view of the UCC. It is a
>> > publicity disaster for the Ubuntu community and remains a barrier to
>> > good communication. Taking it down is a sign of good faith and the
>> > beginning of progress.
>> >
>> > Can we agree that we have been at odds, but still have common
>> > interests, and work together to further those interests?
>> >
>> > Valorie, for the Kubuntu Council

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