Big Box Linux (Paul Baranowski)

Paul Baranowski paul at
Thu Apr 10 15:50:16 UTC 2008

In this case, I turn the question back to you: you need to build a Linux system
that you know will work from day 1, the first time you turn it on.  This
includes hibernate and suspend working, wireless working, 3D graphics card
working, and without any modifications to the base distro install.  What do you

Andrew Mathenge wrote:
> I've only caught the part of this thread that's below. I don't know how
> this discussion started but looks like some very misleading information
> based on hearsay.
> All operating systems have hardware compatibility issues. More for some
> less for others. Windows has a wide range of device support but I've also
> seen it fail to recognise a network card, especially during OS upgrades.
> That's why vendors have a HCL.
> Ubuntu has excellent hardware support, less than Windows, but how much
> less I can't say. I've installed Ubuntu on Dell laptops without issue.
> On IBM
> ThinkPads (not the new Lenovo ones) without issue.
> However, I have an Acer Aspire AMD 64-bit machine that I've been struggling
> to get wireless networking to function using the 64-bit version of Ubuntu.
> Windows XP works perfectly on this machine.
> Lastly... I'm still wondering about the point of that statement about
> betting
> your job on "random computer parts." I suspect that anyone who has used
> Linux long enough and is willing to propose Linux for a corporate job has
> way more sense than that paragraph implies.
> On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Paul Baranowski <paul at
> <mailto:paul at>> wrote:
>     See below for reply...
>     Andy Leeman wrote:
>     >>  From: Paul Baranowski <paul at
>     <mailto:paul at>>
>     >>   * Pre-installed codes and fonts
>     >
>     > You install extra fonts? You might be violating copyright if you are
>     > installing the MS core fonts without a windows license. By codes, do
>     > you mean media codecs, like for DVD, Xvid, Divx, wmv, MP3 and such?
>     Yes, codecs so that you can play media files.
>     >>  Here is a list of things which may not work under Linux if you
>     buy any random
>     >>  computer (I know because I've been testing the parts):
>     >>   * Motherboard (suspend/hibernate)
>     >>   * DVD drive (suspend/hibernate)
>     >>   * Hard drive (suspend/hibernate)
>     >>   * 3D graphics card
>     >>   * Ethernet port
>     >>   * Webcam
>     >>   * Wireless card
>     >>   * Printer
>     >>
>     >>  In short, you are only guaranteed your processor and RAM will work.
>     >
>     > Say WHAT? That's pretty misleading, some odd hardware isn't going to
>     > work in Windows either, especially Vista. But Ethernet, hard drive and
>     > DVD drive? I have had to install proprietary drivers on windows for
>     > ethernet cards, but in about 50 installs, I've NEVER had DVD HD or
>     > ethernet not work in Ubuntu. How would you install ANYTHING if these
>     > didn't work, LOL? I wish you great luck in promoting Ubuntu, but don't
>     > misleadingly dis the vanilla Ubuntu. I thinks it's got GREAT hardware
>     > support. I agree 3D graphics, wireless  and webcams can be a problem,
>     > but not the core components.
>     Most DVD drives I've tested prevent either hibernate or suspend from
>     working.
>     It's the same for motherboards.  Hard drive is much less common, but
>     does happen
>     once in a blue moon.  All those components that didnt work are lying
>     dead on my
>     shelf right now because they failed to pass this test.
>     Ubuntu does have great hardware support...for Linux.  But up until
>     now I havent
>     been able to recommend it to my friends, family, or co-workers
>     because I know
>     that if they were to go buy random computer parts and stick them in
>     their
>     computer, those parts have a good chance of not working.  Then they
>     would say
>     "Linux sucks because my wireless card doesnt work".  And then they
>     would go back
>     to using windows.  But now I have no problem recommending it to them
>     because I
>     know exactly what works and what doesnt, and they have a place to go
>     to get the
>     computer or component they need (plug: Big Box Linux).
>     Or you might try to convince your boss that you should be using
>     Linux for your
>     web application/development platform.  Are you willing to bet your
>     job and your
>     company that buying any random computer parts are going to work 100%
>     the first
>     time you try them?  Are you willing to explain to your boss why you
>     are a week
>     behind because the hardware you thought would work with Linux didnt
>     and you had
>     to reorder new parts (and pray that those new parts work)?
>     Businesses dont want something that /might/ work, they want
>     something they know
>     will work the first time and not have to mess with it.  Time is money.
>     Paul Baranowski
>     Big Box Linux, Inc.
>     416-619-0874
>     416-628-1252 (Fax)
>     paul at <mailto:paul at>
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