ubuntu-ca Digest, Vol 8, Issue 15

[Allen Graham]

To Martin et al:
you stated, ............... "means we cannot put a price tag to our
offering either."
The money to be made in the IT business at any level is in service.
Therefore pricing an offering as a bundle with "free" software is a reality.
Please read Canonical's offerings. They encourage partnerships.
What you're suggesting makes sense, but has it make dollars as well.
None of us work for free, and as much as I want to get the lazy university
and college personnel off their butts, doing it for free won't cut it. Many
colleges encourage the use of Apple systems, primarily because the hardware
is pretty.
This is the mentality, or lack thereof, with which you must cope.
I'm all for marketing a Ubuntu -Service package, certainly not for free.
Besides, people trust not "something for nothing".
Allen

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> 1. Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Linux (and Ubuntu) advocacy in Canada
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> 2. Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Linux (and Ubuntu) advocacy in Canada
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> 3. Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Linux (and Ubuntu) advocacy in Canada
> and USA (Martin-?ric Racine)
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> From: Vincent Untz <vincent at vuntz.net>
> To: MF <MagicFab at gmail.com>
> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 09:48:31 +0100
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Linux (and Ubuntu) advocacy in Canada and
> USA
> Le mercredi 09 novembre 2005 à 21:43 -0500, MF a écrit :
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> > Apologies for cross-posting, but I think this is of interest to the
> > Marketing Team too. This applies mostly to NorthAmerica.
> >
> > It's interesting another thread on FACIL's mailing list
> > (www.facil.qc.ca <http://www.facil.qc.ca>) made me discover the MSDNAA
> program, an initiative
> > to bring free MS licenses to students accross NorthAmerica - I see
> > this model easily replicated around the world to make sure every
> > single student and teacher has access to legal licenses of MS
> > products. It started this August and now most all colleges and
> > universities are in it.
>
> This is also happening in France, but it started, well... 3 or 4 years
> ago. We tried promoting alternatives, but we faced two problems:
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> + the administration of the university where I was didn't care, since
> it was good deal for them.
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> + it was hard to convince student to try something else. This might be
> easier now, though.
>
> Speaking to the students might help, but convincing the administrations
> of the universities is really what we should aim for. This is where the
> decisions are taken and where a simple change might have a great impact.
>
> This is my 0.02€, of course :-)
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> Vincent
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: MF <MagicFab at gmail.com>
> To: ubuntu-marketing at lists.ubuntu.com, ubuntu-ca at lists.ubuntu.com
> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 07:44:48 -0500
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Linux (and Ubuntu) advocacy in Canada and
> USA
> Martin-Éric Racine a écrit :
> > On Fri, November 11, 2005 10:48, Vincent Untz said:
> >
> >
> >> Speaking to the students might help, but convincing the administrations
> >> of the universities is really what we should aim for. This is where the
> >> decisions are taken and where a simple change might have a great
> impact.
> >>
> >
> > The problem is not universities as much as the software procurement
> model
> > of the public sector: purchase orders must fit budget and feature
> > constraints and explicitely provide multiple suppliers with a chance to
> > place competing bids on the exact same target product.
> >
> Precisely. However, where you see a problem I see the opportunity to
> work with local providers of commercial support to do exactly the same -
> change the word "product" in your sentence for "services", except
> they're (mostly or completely) based on free computing solutions (free
> software, free formats, patents-free, etc.). I believe the change has to
> be in the procurement *requirements*, not as much in the model which as
> you describe is there to stay.
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> Will elaborate on this later, have to run ;)
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> F.
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> From: Martin-Éric Racine <q-funk at iki.fi>
> To: ubuntu-marketing at lists.ubuntu.com, "ubuntu-ca" <
> ubuntu-ca at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 11:28:08 +0200 (EET)
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Linux (and Ubuntu) advocacy in Canada and
> USA
> On Fri, November 11, 2005 10:48, Vincent Untz said:
>
> > Speaking to the students might help, but convincing the administrations
> > of the universities is really what we should aim for. This is where the
> > decisions are taken and where a simple change might have a great impact.
>
> The problem is not universities as much as the software procurement model
> of the public sector: purchase orders must fit budget and feature
> constraints and explicitely provide multiple suppliers with a chance to
> place competing bids on the exact same target product.
>
> Now, with Free Software, the problem is not being able to provide a quote
> for e.g. an order for 100 pieces of Windows XP educational licenses,
> because we don't do Windows, and sometimes being literally cost-free (such
> as with free Ubuntu CD shipments)



means we cannot put a price tag to our
> offering either.
>
> Change starts in the Computer Science departments and by handing out as
> many free Ubuntu CDs to the students themselves, at which point the next
> generation knows nothing but Free Software and expects Ubuntu in school
> too.
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