To Martin et al: you stated, ............... "means we cannot put a price tag to our offering either." The money to be made in the IT business at any level is in service. Therefore pricing an offering as a bundle with "free" software is a reality. Please read Canonical's offerings. They encourage partnerships. What you're suggesting makes sense, but has it make dollars as well. None of us work for free, and as much as I want to get the lazy university and college personnel off their butts, doing it for free won't cut it. Many colleges encourage the use of Apple systems, primarily because the hardware is pretty. This is the mentality, or lack thereof, with which you must cope. I'm all for marketing a Ubuntu -Service package, certainly not for free. Besides, people trust not "something for nothing". 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Today's Topics: 1. Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Linux (and Ubuntu) advocacy in Canada and USA (Vincent Untz) 2. Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Linux (and Ubuntu) advocacy in Canada and USA (MF) 3. Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Linux (and Ubuntu) advocacy in Canada and USA (Martin-?ric Racine) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Vincent Untz <<a href="mailto:vincent@vuntz.net"> vincent@vuntz.net</a>> To: MF <<a href="mailto:MagicFab@gmail.com">MagicFab@gmail.com</a>> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 09:48:31 +0100 Subject: Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Linux (and Ubuntu) advocacy in Canada and USA Le mercredi 09 novembre 2005 à 21:43 -0500, MF a écrit : > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: RIPEMD160 > > Apologies for cross-posting, but I think this is of interest to the > Marketing Team too. This applies mostly to NorthAmerica. > > It's interesting another thread on FACIL's mailing list > (<a href="http://www.facil.qc.ca">www.facil.qc.ca</a>) made me discover the MSDNAA program, an initiative > to bring free MS licenses to students accross NorthAmerica - I see > this model easily replicated around the world to make sure every > single student and teacher has access to legal licenses of MS > products. It started this August and now most all colleges and > universities are in it. This is also happening in France, but it started, well... 3 or 4 years ago. We tried promoting alternatives, but we faced two problems: + the administration of the university where I was didn't care, since it was good deal for them. + it was hard to convince student to try something else. This might be easier now, though. Speaking to the students might help, but convincing the administrations of the universities is really what we should aim for. This is where the decisions are taken and where a simple change might have a great impact. This is my 0.02€, of course :-) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: MF <<a href="mailto:MagicFab@gmail.com">MagicFab@gmail.com</a>> To: <a href="mailto:ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com</a>, <a href="mailto:ubuntu-ca@lists.ubuntu.com"> ubuntu-ca@lists.ubuntu.com</a> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 07:44:48 -0500 Subject: Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Linux (and Ubuntu) advocacy in Canada and USA Martin-Éric Racine a écrit : > On Fri, November 11, 2005 10:48, Vincent Untz said: > > >> Speaking to the students might help, but convincing the administrations >> of the universities is really what we should aim for. This is where the >> decisions are taken and where a simple change might have a great impact. >> > > The problem is not universities as much as the software procurement model > of the public sector: purchase orders must fit budget and feature > constraints and explicitely provide multiple suppliers with a chance to > place competing bids on the exact same target product. > Precisely. However, where you see a problem I see the opportunity to work with local providers of commercial support to do exactly the same - change the word "product" in your sentence for "services", except they're (mostly or completely) based on free computing solutions (free software, free formats, patents-free, etc.). I believe the change has to be in the procurement *requirements*, not as much in the model which as you describe is there to stay. Will elaborate on this later, have to run ;) F. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Martin-Éric Racine <<a href="mailto:q-funk@iki.fi">q-funk@iki.fi</a>> To: <a href="mailto:ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com</a>, "ubuntu-ca" <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-ca@lists.ubuntu.com"> ubuntu-ca@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 11:28:08 +0200 (EET) Subject: Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Linux (and Ubuntu) advocacy in Canada and USA On Fri, November 11, 2005 10:48, Vincent Untz said: > Speaking to the students might help, but convincing the administrations > of the universities is really what we should aim for. This is where the > decisions are taken and where a simple change might have a great impact. The problem is not universities as much as the software procurement model of the public sector: purchase orders must fit budget and feature constraints and explicitely provide multiple suppliers with a chance to place competing bids on the exact same target product. Now, with Free Software, the problem is not being able to provide a quote for e.g. an order for 100 pieces of Windows XP educational licenses, because we don't do Windows, and sometimes being literally cost-free (such as with free Ubuntu CD shipments) </blockquote><div> </div> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">means we cannot put a price tag to our offering either. Change starts in the Computer Science departments and by handing out as many free Ubuntu CDs to the students themselves, at which point the next generation knows nothing but Free Software and expects Ubuntu in school too. -- Martin-Éric Racine <a href="http://q-funk.iki.fi"> http://q-funk.iki.fi</a> -- ubuntu-ca mailing list <a href="mailto:ubuntu-ca@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-ca@lists.ubuntu.com</a> <a href="http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-ca"> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-ca</a> </blockquote></div> -- <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/allengg_2005/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/allengg_2005/</a>