[Ubuntu-be] English as a standard as US in the community
glennsouth
fa036236 at skynet.be
Mon Feb 25 19:40:08 GMT 2008
I was there with you guys in Brussels, and you all did wonderful,
accommodating me. But I will say this. Our first launch on ver 7.04 was
a disaster. I was told by MIS to make them all English OS. BAD freakin'
Idea. Never assume EVERYONE can READ English though they can speak it.
That and my lack of knowledge did not help as well. Along with a book I
purchased was far from being correct.
YODA MODE ON<-----from the dark side better I see now
GS
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> 3. Re: [Fwd: Ubuntu Mug] (Rob Van Dyck)
> 4. Re: reminder: language use (Thijs Braem)
> 5. Re: reminder: language use (snulkid)
> 6. Hardy Release Party 03 May 2008 (Bart Broeckx)
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> 8. Re: reminder: language use (Stephan van Ingen)
> 9. Re: reminder: language use (Serge van Ginderachter)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:16:36 +0100
> From: "Linuxinstallaties.be" <info at linuxinstallaties.be>
> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-be] Was : Why Linux Doesn't Spread - the Curse of
> Being Free
> To: Ubuntu Belgium <ubuntu-be at lists.ubuntu.com>
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> Steven Leeman schreef:
> >
> >
> > Ik heb veel klanten die wel willen overschakelen naar linux maar
> > gewoon
> > niet kunnen omdat ze vb. autocad nodig hebben. Die mensen zijn niet
> > geholpen met een CAD versie zoals linuxCAD of bricsCAD.
> >
> >
> > gelieve eens naar Wine te kijken (of Crossover) ... Autocad &
> > Photoshop draait hier zeer goed onder...
> > en je hebt geen virtuele windows licentie nodig (wel een officieel
> > autocad/photoshop licentie)
> >
> > een mooi verhaal : http://architectafrica.com/bin0/news200411111_wine.html
> >
> >
> > Mvg,
> > Steven
> Via wine is heb toch niet de stabiliteit gelijk echte linux programma's.
> Ook de meeste plotters doen het niet in linux. Dus voor proffesioneel
> gebruik is de wine oplossing uit den boze. Voor occasioneel gebruik is
> dit wel een aanrader. Mensen die proffesioneel autocad gebruiken hebben
> gewoon geen tijd om tussenoplossingen te proberen die dan ten einde raad
> toch maar vastlopen. Wie is dan de slechte: natuurlijk die persoon die
> het zo aangeraden heeft (wij dan in dit geval).
>
>
> Over de talenkwestie ik van Koen Wybo perfect volgen, waarom een taal
> spreken dat veel mensen maar half begrijpen. Ik weet veel mensen kunnen
> perfect hun engels en schrijven dit zoals hun nederlands, maar de meeste
> vlamingen kunnen perfect het frans lezen en vice versa. Het Engels is
> dan weer voor iedereen een (vreemde) taal.
>
>
> Mvg
>
> Frederik Dewanckele
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:29:28 +0100
> From: "Julien Willem" <julien.willem at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-be] reminder: language use
> To: "Ubuntu Belgium" <ubuntu-be at lists.ubuntu.com>
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> Let's learn Esperanto =)
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> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:31:09 +0100
> From: "Rob Van Dyck" <rob.van.dyck at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-be] [Fwd: Ubuntu Mug]
> To: "Ubuntu Belgium" <ubuntu-be at lists.ubuntu.com>
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> Hi Jens,
>
> Thanx for your concern, point taken, now let us hope not too many
> people pick up on your idea ;-).
> I think the risk is not too high, considering we are dealing with
> small amounts of money and the changes made on the wiki are mailed to
> several persons (who would hopefully pull the alarm bell :-), plus I
> also regularly check the wiki, and I would notice a change in my bank
> account number.
>
> Being able to change content on a wiki is an advantage and a
> disadvantage ... you have to have some good faith in your users. I
> could have also opted to put it only here on the mailinglist, but then
> you would have the problem of people who are not following our
> mailinglist that want to order stuff and still need the number.
>
> Kind regards,
> Rob.
>
> On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 7:58 AM, Philippe Piquer <kubuntu.be at gmail.com> wrote:
> > That's an idea :)
> >
> > 2008/2/24, Jens Timmerman <jens.timmerman at gmail.com>:
> >
> > >
> > > On Fri, 2008-02-22 at 10:55 +0100, Rob Van Dyck wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > We have an update on the mugs. Please check
> > > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/promotional-materials/Grouporder
> > > >
> > > > Important action points: exact order will be made on the 1th of March,
> > > > please make sure payments have arrived before that date.
> > > >
> > > > Kind regards,
> > > > Rob.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Just a tought
> > >
> > > is it a good idea to put the bank account for the payments on the wiki?
> > > since, it's a wiki?
> > >
> > > Anybody could now change it and place their bank account there and get
> > > all your precious money...
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 09:03:17 +0100
> From: Thijs Braem <tbraem at vub.ac.be>
> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-be] reminder: language use
> To: ubuntu-be at lists.ubuntu.com
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> I would agree on the fact that is's a bit weird and contrary to the
> 'ubuntu spirit' that everything seems to be happening mostly in dutch
> only. Especially handing out Dutch-only Ubuntu posters at an
> international event in Brussels seems not such a good idea...
>
> Using English seems to me as well to be the best solution, it's a sort
> of a-political language in our country, and it allows for newly-arrived
> Belgians to be included as well.
>
> Thijs
>
>
> ubuntu-be-request at lists.ubuntu.com wrote:
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> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 07:57:25 +0100
> From: "Philippe Piquer" <kubuntu.be at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-be] reminder: language use
> To: kevin.elaerts at ubuntu-nl.org, "Ubuntu Belgium"
> <ubuntu-be at lists.ubuntu.com>
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> >
> > There's always the solution to make every post in the 3 nationals languages
> > , but that should be a barrier to me because I have absolutly no knowledge
> > of german .... and would make the post veryyyyyyyyyyyyyyy long ...
> >
>
> --
> Thijs Braem
> Onderwijstechnoloog
> Onderwijsvernieuwing & OnderwijsServiceCentrum
> Vrije Universiteit Brussel
> E-mail: tbraem at vub.ac.be
> http://osc.vub.ac.be/
>
> --
> "If you believe in freedom of speech, you believe in freedom of speech
> for views you don't like. Goebbels was in favor of freedom of speech for
> views he liked. So was Stalin. If you're in favor of freedom of speech,
> that means you're in favor of freedom of speech precisely for views you
> despise."
> -- Noam Chomsky
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:15:05 +0100
> From: snulkid <rr at lilit.be>
> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-be] reminder: language use
> To: Ubuntu Belgium <ubuntu-be at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Message-ID: <200802251015.05669.rr at lilit.be>
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> Hello
>
> Le lundi 25 f?vrier 2008 09:03, Thijs Braem a ?crit?:
> > I would agree on the fact that is's a bit weird and contrary to the
> > 'ubuntu spirit' that everything seems to be happening mostly in
> > dutch only.
>
> Well, till now, the fact is most of the activity seems to be happening
> in the Dutch-speaking area. And in this case, people were often kind
> enough to begin with a statement in English saying the message was
> about an event in Flanders, so they would go on in Dutch.
>
> I really don't know what the best solution is, but there should be a
> balance between efforts and optimal spread of information. So 3
> things worth mentioning :
>
> * for non-geeks like me, ubuntu-be mailing-list and Fosdem are the
> only meeting points for Dutch- and French-speaking people concerned
> with FOSS. This is precious!
>
> But Fosdem being an international event, their use of English is no
> argument in our case.
>
> * this mailing-list is also an opportunity for readers to read French
> and Dutch messages. No kidding : you want to know what is said
> because you are interested, so you make the effort; that is why I
> choose the off-topic example of Regionet Limburg.
> I am too lazy/busy to go back to school, so ubuntu-be is now my Dutch
> teatcher ;-).
>
> The fact it is written also makes things easier by reducing the
> requested efforts : when I went to the Colony BBQ in Heverlee, people
> like Amedee, Christophe, Mark, Tille.. were kind enough to try to
> speak English and even French for me but you can't ask 30 people not
> to speak Dutch just because of 1 person. The balance again... I just
> have to improve my pathetic spoken Dutch and/or get more Walloons to
> join me, period.
>
> * better an information in Dutch or French than no information in
> English.
>
> Just 0.02 EUR from a hibernating reader (who does not read all
> messages, so sorry if I missed some points).
>
> Have a nice day
> --
> snulkid
>
>
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> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:42:09 +0100
> From: "Bart Broeckx" <bart at ubuntu.com>
> Subject: [Ubuntu-be] Hardy Release Party 03 May 2008
> To: "Ubuntu Belgium" <ubuntu-be at lists.ubuntu.com>
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> Hi Ubuntero's,
>
> here is a small update about the progress we make in the organisation of the
> Hardy Release Party.
>
> http://hardy.releaseparty.be/
>
> The site is in Dutch because it's a manly dutch speaking event, however the
> party is open to everybody as most of us can speak English, German or
> French.
> The presentations and workshops will be held in Dutch but there will be more
> to see.
>
> This event will be a place where Ubuntero's can meet, share idea's, help
> beginners with the installation, see what is possible professionally with
> Ubuntu and Open-Source, ...
> There will be some companies who will show there products working with
> Ubuntu and Open-Source. Hardy will be an LTS version, ideal for companies
> and schools so we offer them to come.
> If everything goes well there will be 2.000 Ubuntu cd's custom made for the
> party available.
> We are still working on a timeline so there will be a new button on the site
> with the program in the next few days/weeks.
> The link to subscribe yourself is also working so people interested in
> coming to the party, please subscribe so we can estimate how many people
> will come. For the non-dutch speakers: The button to subscribe is called
> "Inschrijven".
> At FOSDEM I handed out some flyer's and posters, people interested in having
> some can contact me or Ubuntu-be and well try to deliver them to you or you
> can come and pick them up.
>
> Keep May 03 free in your agenda and we hope to meet you all at the Release
> Party,
>
> --
> Bart Broeckx
> Willekensmolenstraat 83/7
> 3500 Hasselt
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> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:43:33 +0100
> From: "Linuxinstallaties.be" <info at linuxinstallaties.be>
> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-be] Was : Why Linux Doesn't Spread - the Curse of
> Being Free
> To: Ubuntu Belgium <ubuntu-be at lists.ubuntu.com>
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> Marc schreef:
> > Linuxinstallaties.be schreef:
> >>
> >> Via wine is heb toch niet de stabiliteit gelijk echte linux
> >> programma's. Ook de meeste plotters doen het niet in linux. Dus voor
> >> proffesioneel gebruik is de wine oplossing uit den boze. Voor
> >> occasioneel gebruik is dit wel een aanrader. Mensen die proffesioneel
> >> autocad gebruiken hebben gewoon geen tijd om tussenoplossingen te
> >> proberen die dan ten einde raad toch maar vastlopen. Wie is dan de
> >> slechte: natuurlijk die persoon die het zo aangeraden heeft (wij dan
> >> in dit geval).
> >>
> >
> >
> > Vind jij blender dan een alternatief?? (voor autocad ?)
>
> Nee er is gewoon geen goed alternatief. Enige oplossing voor die mensen
> is dat autoCAD met een linuxversie op de markt zou komen.
>
> > Mvg
> Frederik
> >
> >
>
>
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:13:36 +0100
> From: "Stephan van Ingen" <stephanvaningen at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-be] reminder: language use
> To: "Ubuntu Belgium" <ubuntu-be at lists.ubuntu.com>
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> For practical reasons I think all the blabla about languages should be
> put aside and moved to politicians,
> let's face it: English is the most common language for a lot of
> people, if we want to be open for as much people as possible...: I add
> my vote to Mark's initial suggestion
>
> On 25/02/2008, Julien Willem <julien.willem at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Let's learn Esperanto =)
> >
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> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:26:24 +0100 (CET)
> From: Serge van Ginderachter <serge at vanginderachter.be>
> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-be] reminder: language use
> To: Ubuntu Belgium <ubuntu-be at lists.ubuntu.com>
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>
> How about we all just stop discussing this and make some effort to respect RFC 793, section 2-10?
>
>
>
> Serge
>
> Serge van Ginderachter http://www.vanginderachter.be/
>
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