Ongoing Ubuntu-AU debate.

[Andrew Gaydon]

Hi Jared and the List.

Yes I agree that things are getting out of hand.

I started this discussion at an attempt to get people to talk about the
issues.
We have had some very good frank discussion.
There has been quite a large silent majority and silence from the ones that
should be making comment.
The issues will not go away, just because we are sick of hearing about them,
unless they are addressed.

As I have argued quite hard about the need for an ACC, I concede that people
need convincing with ACTION,
that the model is a good one and by having an ACC it will facilitate
addressing the issues that people have.

You are quite right about arguments becoming circular, this does not in any
way make a positive contribution to the discussion.

Lets be active on what we can change and make a positive contribution to the
things that we think need changing.

Regards,

Andrew G.

On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 8:09 PM, Jared Norris <jrnorris at gmail.com> wrote:

> Good evening Andrew and the Ubuntu-AU list,
>
>  Firstly I would like to say that I agree the Ubuntu-AU team could use a
> lot more people willing to help out as much as you have in the Brisbane
> area. I do however have some reservations about your ongoing tirade of
> emails about the ACC.
>
>  I would again like to point out to all members the Ubuntu Code of Conduct
> at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct With this in mind I would like
> to draw attention specifically to the section:
>
>  *“Please avoid flamewars, trolling, personal attacks, and **repetitive
> arguments**. On technical matters, the Technical Review Board can make a
> final decision. On matters of community governance, the Community Council
> can make a final decision. “*
>
>  I have sat down tonight and seen yet again another post by yourself on
> the subject so it made me think about it some more. I have drawn up a table
> and worked out that of the 5 or 6 separate discussions on this topic it
> boils down to 6 people who are for your ACC, 8 people who are against your
> ACC and 6 people that were either neutral to your proposal or off topic with
> other issues. I would then like to point out that the 6 people that were FOR
> your proposed ACC have contributed 40 emails to the list on the topic. The
> people who were AGAINST your proposed ACC have contributed 10 emails in
> total. The people that were NEUTRAL/OFF TOPIC to your proposed ACC have sent
> in 14 emails. This is a total of 64 contributions from 20 different people.
>
>  Please do not mistake a large number of emails to the list as a large
> groundswell of support, you personally have contributed 11 emails to this
> tally.
>
>  As far as I can work out unless a lot more people come forward to support
> your idea it doesn't seem to be gaining much traction when you realise there
> is 337 people on this list (
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Re-Approval). If you add to that
> the fact that as a list administrator I have seen 12 people unsubscribe
> since the topic started less than a week ago you will understand this
> current email.
>
>  Unless there is a large number of people coming forward in the near
> future I don't think it's realistic to completely change how things are run
> when the way things are as we speak do not prevent anyone from organising
> activities beyond the scope of the aforementioned Code of Conduct.
>
>  Keep up with the good work with regards to promoting Ubuntu within
> Brisbane but I think it's time to draw to a close the ongoing campaign of
> the ACC.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Jared Norris
>
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