[ubuntu-art] next meeting
Álvaro Medina Ballester
xlasttrainhomex at gmail.com
Sat Feb 9 23:14:44 GMT 2008
Jan sorry for the name problems, I don't speak english very well so I know
that some words/names are not the best ones.
Anyway, instead of showing me the real names of the apps, do you have any
_solid_ opinion or any critic point to my idea? I mean, music apps go to
"tray" in Linux... and what? I was saying that in my opinion this is not the
right place to keep open apps.
Could you please stop and think my ideas for a while instead of pointing me
some names or responding some phrases without reading the next ones (I said
that we can take good things from other gui's like Windows' shell just
before I pointed that Ubuntu should not be a _copy_ of Windows/OS X)? And, I
haven't said that we should remove windows, so that was completely
I don't want to spend my time developing my ideas and trying to explain them
in this mailing list just for receiving some words like "I call it
tray.". Really, I don't want to start a flame here or something, but I felt
very very disappointed when I try to explain something or bring some ideas
to the list and the only feedback I receive is that.
Again, can you re-think my idea and criticize some of them instead saying
"that is called x on linux..." "so what?" etc.? If you don't like my idea
just bring some "I don't like it". It's as useful as everything you said and
it's much less time wasting, even for you.
2008/2/9, Jan Niklas Hasse <jhasse at gmail.com>:
> Keeping open apps in the system tray (with that do you mean notification
> > area, top panel right, really?) is one of the _worst_ desktop metaphors.
> > Notification area is... notification area!
> I call it tray. IMHO calling the tray "notification area" is one of the
> worst things.
> > Why mixing open apps with notification icons like clock, wifi,
> > volume...?
> Clock? Volume? I got these as gnome applets. And wifi: Do you think the
> "NetworkManager" is a notification? It isn't. But why is it in the
> "notification" area?
> I got 4 icons in my tray: Skype, Pidgin, Rhythmbox, Glipper (and
> NetworkManager). There isn't a single notification.
> > I think that this ideas comes from a very _very_ strong Windows culture.
> So what?
> > And Ubuntu is not an should not be a clon of Windows XP (OS X clon
> > either).
> Right, but do you also want to remove windows at all, just because osx and
> xp use them?
> > If Windows or Mac does something well, we can discuss it and if it's a
> > good idea we can implement it. But we don't have to copy something because
> > new users would feel familiar with Ubuntu desktop, that would be a big
> > mistake.
> AFAIK there's no option to close programs to tray, except the application
> supports this. So there's nothing to be copied from windows.
> > Taking back the discussion. 6 or 7 years ago I was a convinced Windows
> > 98/XP user. I loved Winamp, I loved Winamp icon in the tray bar. Nowadays, a
> > lot of Windows applications put their icon in the system tray.
> A lot of Linux applications, too. (Rhythmbox, banshee, amarok, pidgin,
> skype, networkmanager, deluge, ...)
> > Nowadays I've studied computer science and gui design in my career. One
> > of the big mistakes of user interfaces is mixing things that are completely
> > not related. Notification is not related with open apps.
> Well, maybe we should call it tray or Status Area?
> > What Dylan McCall was trying to say is that in OS X there is a tree
> > structure in the gui design. Root node is the application and then each
> > application has several childrens (windows) and each window can have another
> > children (floating window). In my opinion this is the correct way to
> > represent open apps. Why? because the app "pipe" is:
> Processes -> Windows -> Secondary windows
> > This pipe design delivers a good design that solves several gui
> > problems. First problem solved is that window selector like Windows bar is
> > no longer needed. Instead, this model has app selector, wich is very useful
> > if some apps have several windows (think in The Gimp at this moment). Second
> > problem is that having app selector instead window selector is better if you
> > have a lot (6 or more) windows opened. It's even easier to distinguish what
> > do you want to select because you have to look directly for the application,
> > not to all the windows, and you have less items to look for so you can
> > search it quickly. Third problem solved is that now app selector and app
> > launcher can be merged so many space can be saved.
> App selector? Sounds like some kind of a tray, only better.
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