Jan sorry for the name problems, I don't speak english very well so I know that some words/names are not the best ones.<div><br> </div><div>Anyway, instead of showing me the real names of the apps, do you have any _solid_ opinion or any critic point to my idea? I mean, music apps go to "tray" in Linux... and what? I was saying that in my opinion this is not the right place to keep open apps. </div> <div><br> </div><div>Could you please stop and think my ideas for a while instead of pointing me some names or responding some phrases without reading the next ones (I said that we can take good things from other gui's like Windows' shell just before I pointed that Ubuntu should not be a _copy_ of Windows/OS X)? And, I haven't said that we should remove windows, so that was completely off-topic.</div> <div><br> </div><div>I don't want to spend my time developing my ideas and trying to explain them in this mailing list just for receiving some words like "I call it tray.". Really, I don't want to start a flame here or something, but I felt very very disappointed when I try to explain something or bring some ideas to the list and the only feedback I receive is that.</div> <div><br> </div><div>Again, can you re-think my idea and criticize some of them instead saying "that is called x on linux..." "so what?" etc.? If you don't like my idea just bring some "I don't like it". It's as useful as everything you said and it's much less time wasting, even for you.</div> <div><br> </div> <div><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">2008/2/9, Jan Niklas Hasse <<a href="mailto:jhasse@gmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">jhasse@gmail.com</a>>:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div class="gmail_quote"><span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex"><div><div>Keeping open apps in the system tray (with that do you mean notification area, top panel right, really?) is one of the _worst_ desktop metaphors. Notification area is... notification area!</div> </div></blockquote></span><div><br>I call it tray. IMHO calling the tray "notification area" is one of the worst things.<br> </div><span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex"> <div><div>Why mixing open apps with notification icons like clock, wifi, volume...?</div></div></blockquote></span><div><br>Clock? Volume? I got these as gnome applets. And wifi: Do you think the "NetworkManager" is a notification? It isn't. But why is it in the "notification" area?<br> I got 4 icons in my tray: Skype, Pidgin, Rhythmbox, Glipper (and NetworkManager). There isn't a single notification.<br> </div><span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex"> <div>I think that this ideas comes from a very _very_ strong Windows culture.</div></blockquote></span><div><br>So what?<br> </div><span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex"> <div>And Ubuntu is not an should not be a clon of Windows XP (OS X clon either).</div></blockquote></span><div><br>Right, but do you also want to remove windows at all, just because osx and xp use them?<br> </div><span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex"> <div>If Windows or Mac does something well, we can discuss it and if it's a good idea we can implement it. But we don't have to copy something because new users would feel familiar with Ubuntu desktop, that would be a big mistake.</div> </blockquote></span><div><br>AFAIK there's no option to close programs to tray, except the application supports this. So there's nothing to be copied from windows.<br> </div><span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex"> <div> <div>Taking back the discussion. 6 or 7 years ago I was a convinced Windows 98/XP user. I loved Winamp, I loved Winamp icon in the tray bar. Nowadays, a lot of Windows applications put their icon in the system tray.</div> </div></blockquote></span><div><br>A lot of Linux applications, too. (Rhythmbox, banshee, amarok, pidgin, skype, networkmanager, deluge, ...)<br> </div><span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex"> <div><div>Nowadays I've studied computer science and gui design in my career. One of the big mistakes of user interfaces is mixing things that are completely not related. Notification is not related with open apps.</div> </div></blockquote></span><div><br>Well, maybe we should call it tray or Status Area?<br> </div><span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex"> <div> <div></div> <div>What Dylan McCall was trying to say is that in OS X there is a tree structure in the gui design. Root node is the application and then each application has several childrens (windows) and each window can have another children (floating window). In my opinion this is the correct way to represent open apps. Why? because the app "pipe" is:</div> <div><br> </div></div></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote style="border:medium none;margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 40px;padding:0px"> Processes -> Windows -> Secondary windows</blockquote><blockquote style="border:medium none;margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 40px;padding:0px"> <br></blockquote>This pipe design delivers a good design that solves several gui problems. First problem solved is that window selector like Windows bar is no longer needed. Instead, this model has app selector, wich is very useful if some apps have several windows (think in The Gimp at this moment). Second problem is that having app selector instead window selector is better if you have a lot (6 or more) windows opened. It's even easier to distinguish what do you want to select because you have to look directly for the application, not to all the windows, and you have less items to look for so you can search it quickly. Third problem solved is that now app selector and app launcher can be merged so many space can be saved.</blockquote> </span><div> <br>App selector? Sounds like some kind of a tray, only better.<br> </div></div> <br>--<br>ubuntu-art mailing list<br><a href="mailto:ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com</a><br><a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art</a><br> <br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Álvaro. </div>