[ubuntu-art] Community Theme

Iacopo Masi iacopo.masi.list at gmail.com
Fri May 4 16:21:29 BST 2007 

On 5/4/07, Ravi Kumar <ra21vi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> Sorry for my inactivity in this great project... Right these days my exams
> on, so crucial for me :)) ths time... well, it will be over on 19th, expect
> more support from my side then... but i do regularly chek the discussions
> here...
>
> Now I have something to discuss...
> As we know, theme is not like most software, and their development
> process. A theme should be complete, so users give positive feedback and use
> it than just checking and changing to some other complete theme...
>
> So i need to know, since we cann't make the mouse theme in primary stage,
> can we have Redhat mouse theme in this package, or is there some kind of
> problem having it in Ubuntu repo. Ubuntu cursor theme is good, but not as
> much as the redhat mouse theme is, can we reuse and integrate it. I am
> currenly using it. I did used MacOSX, Ubuntu and redhat, and analyzed
> something, so I am asking it. Don;t take it as like the theme so I want it.
> We will discuss why later.
>
> Also, we have to go beyong the tango, and the color Orange. I could not
> decide any better icon set for this proejct, and also we can't work on icons
> in this short time, what we can do is take tango as base, develop some own
> to make the icons more consistent towards our final proposals(for this
> session), and repack it. Means tweakings and mixing available and then
> working on the missing.
>
> For color theme palette, what do you have to propose. Sticking to single
> color so much is not a good idea, its a monotonic desktop experience. We can
> have some base colors, and have expressive designs over it.
>
> Do someone have color theory reading materials, they are very good to know
> what human likes and feel on color presentations.
>
> Wallpaper and Login screen is something after we decide the color palette.
>
>
> I should tell you guys, I am not a better artist, but creative in
> designing, my main focus is computer sc :)
> I did workd on Blender, Gimp and Inkscape primarily, and developed some
> web-templates. But I do a lot analyze to find best among availables. So I
> can help from that point, I am not sure If i will contribute some final art,
> but I can give my ideas and mockups.
>
> If agreed, please let me know how many people here are comfortable with
> designing GDM and writing its XML. Who among us are those who designs icons?
>
> And when we will be starting the work on Blueprint. We should not start
> doing things without the final color-palette and base designs. It would be
> wastage of time and effort.
>
> As for Iacopo's OranSun, its good, but there is again some things we would
> like to have changed. Like the sliders are not standard.


I should create the OraSun palette...
And yes you are right, the sliders are not standard and the scrollbar are
very attractive (striped). We can think to put some rationalized.
Infact I said "we can start from my theme and edit it". Because I have done
and collected a lot of good artwork in the place.



One more thing, the button size in Ubuntu or clearlook is a little bigger,
> and we should have a little less height in the default button height. Is it
> possible through the gtkrc file to set the height of the bottons(which
> doesnt have one set)..??



Let me know,
regards
lizardking


On 5/3/07, Iacopo Masi <iacopo.masi.list at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I made my proposal[²] to use and start from my OranSun [¹] theme, that
> > it is not delivered with Feisty.
> >
> > Let me know.
> > [¹]
> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/OranSun
> > [²]
> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/CommunityTheme
> >
> > On 5/1/07, nothlit <nothlit.linux at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > On 5/1/07, Ravi Shanker < ra21vi at gmail.com > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > This is in response to the
> > > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/CommunityThem e
> > > > <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/CommunityTheme>
> > > >
> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------
> > > > I was too looking this to happen. I didn't know there are less
> > > > people in
> > > > the artwork community.
> > > > Anyway, before we proceed, we need to put some time discussing about
> > > > the
> > > > current available theme on Gnome and other OS, what they represent,
> > > > how
> > > > they are good, and also which of them are better than other and why.
> > > > This would probably lead us to know human feeling and reactions
> > > > about
> > > > the themes. We should not ignore what currently is available, they
> > > > lead
> > > > to better judgement and production.
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes, this is a great idea--but we also need to decide what <we> want to do, and make sure
> > >  we don't tally too long on what others have done. This is easily the sort
> > > of topic we could discuss on forever, without getting anything done. It may
> > > be better to do this quickly generally, and then focus on it as we work on
> > > specific aspects of the theme.
> > >
> > > Right now Ubuntu looks very general, Fedora is working on better than
> > > > best, but no steps taken to break the limit on Ubuntu.
> > > >
> > > > DOnt forget to work on mouse cursor theme too, look at MacOSx mouse
> > > > thme
> > > > and also Redhat BlueCurve mouse theme, they are beautiful.
> > >
> > >
> > > Don't forget jimmac's great cursor work.
> > > Yes, this is something we should work on, but cursors are usually
> > > pretty general--do we want an Ubuntu themed cursor? (One thing I would
> > > definitely want to avoid is the logo/animals being splashed everywhere all
> > > over it.)
> > >
> > > One thing I would like to say (please dont flame :))
> > > > Tango is a good icon theme, but when I look at it, why doesnt it
> > > > attract
> > > > much, I came to the point that it totally lacks sharpness. In my
> > > > designing time (though i am not a good and professional designer), I
> > > >
> > > > learn that sharpness gets more attraction, sharp edges are better
> > > > with
> > > > auto contrast they produce. Even a dull color but in sharp mode
> > > > creates
> > > > better visualisation than colorful less sharp objects. Try it
> > > > working
> > > > (take a pic blur the region around a small portion and then look at
> > > > it
> > > > in fullscreen, your eyes automtically attaches to sharp objects and
> > > > regions).
> > > >
> > > > Current MacOSX and Vista has some sharpness in theme, (though vista
> > > > lacks it in Folder views).
> > > >
> > > > So, the keywords in neXt theme production should be:
> > > >         *Color
> > > >         *Contrast
> > > >         *Sharp
> > > >         *Clean
> > > >         *Real Space Objects (3d Feel)
> > > >
> > > > When we look at desktop, it should be in real sense. A desktop
> > > > table,
> > > > with light at a point, papers and objects on the table, shadows due
> > > > to
> > > > light above, minute details in the object to make it little more
> > > > realistic, better contrast to figure the defference among objects
> > > > and
> > > > environment, sharp edges and corners.
> > > > Look at the real desktop, and you can imagine it. Now, what about
> > > > clean.
> > > > My perception is that, a clean desktop and theme is more used (and
> > > > used
> > > > for more time than others in hands of those theme changing humans)
> > > > than
> > > > over modern and bright, glossy and very colorful themes(where color
> > > > seems to pour out anytime).
> > > > Real space objects are those which gives the sense of universal
> > > > light,
> > > > depth, space and 3d. It can be created using the consistent shadows,
> > > >
> > > > shines, perspective draws etc.
> > >
> > >
> > > This, would definitely depend on what feel we want, and what we want to achive.
> > > For example we may want an african wilderness look--we would probably want
> > > more ragged, even fingerpaint like icons or rough earthy visualisations. In
> > > terms of Tango, its not meant to be super sharp--its designed to fit well on
> > > multiple sizes, and in all environments (MS, Linux, Apple--Light and Dark.)
> > > The colors are supposed to be middle of the line--and its strokes are
> > > supposed to fit well everywhere.
> > >
> > > Now, we can definitely mold an icon theme to be more daring than this.
> > > However, how much do we wish to take into account integration with other
> > > icons (that our theme may not cover) into this? The more we stray--the more
> > > jarring the impact will be when people wander out of our scope.
> > >
> > > Let me know what you think. We should also fix time over IRC to meet
> > > > at
> > > > #ubuntu-art
> > > >
> > >
> > > Thats a great idea! I'm sure most of you guys are in the US--throw
> > > some suggestions of a time next week most of you can make?
> > >
> > > A thought: What aspect of people do we want to target? The sense of
> > > community? Of
> > > hipness? Should they feel like they're using the most advanced system? The most friendly?
> > > What are we trying to achieve here?
> > >
> > > Lets throw some more ideas out there!
> > >
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