<div>On 5/4/07, Ravi Kumar <<a href="mailto:ra21vi@gmail.com">ra21vi@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Hi, Sorry for my inactivity in this great project... Right these days my exams on, so crucial for me :)) ths time... well, it will be over on 19th, expect more support from my side then... but i do regularly chek the discussions here... Now I have something to discuss... As we know, theme is not like most software, and their development process. A theme should be complete, so users give positive feedback and use it than just checking and changing to some other complete theme... So i need to know, since we cann't make the mouse theme in primary stage, can we have Redhat mouse theme in this package, or is there some kind of problem having it in Ubuntu repo. Ubuntu cursor theme is good, but not as much as the redhat mouse theme is, can we reuse and integrate it. I am currenly using it. I did used MacOSX, Ubuntu and redhat, and analyzed something, so I am asking it. Don;t take it as like the theme so I want it. We will discuss why later. Also, we have to go beyong the tango, and the color Orange. I could not decide any better icon set for this proejct, and also we can't work on icons in this short time, what we can do is take tango as base, develop some own to make the icons more consistent towards our final proposals(for this session), and repack it. Means tweakings and mixing available and then working on the missing. For color theme palette, what do you have to propose. Sticking to single color so much is not a good idea, its a monotonic desktop experience. We can have some base colors, and have expressive designs over it. Do someone have color theory reading materials, they are very good to know what human likes and feel on color presentations. Wallpaper and Login screen is something after we decide the color palette. I should tell you guys, I am not a better artist, but creative in designing, my main focus is computer sc :) I did workd on Blender, Gimp and Inkscape primarily, and developed some web-templates. But I do a lot analyze to find best among availables. So I can help from that point, I am not sure If i will contribute some final art, but I can give my ideas and mockups. If agreed, please let me know how many people here are comfortable with designing GDM and writing its XML. Who among us are those who designs icons? And when we will be starting the work on Blueprint. We should not start doing things without the final color-palette and base designs. It would be wastage of time and effort. As for Iacopo's OranSun, its good, but there is again some things we would like to have changed. Like the sliders are not standard.</blockquote><div> I should create the OraSun palette... And yes you are right, the sliders are not standard and the scrollbar are very attractive (striped). We can think to put some rationalized. Infact I said "we can start from my theme and edit it". Because I have done and collected a lot of good artwork in the place. </div> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> One more thing, the button size in Ubuntu or clearlook is a little bigger, and we should have a little less height in the default button height. Is it possible through the gtkrc file to set the height of the bottons(which doesnt have one set)..?? </blockquote><div> Let me know, regards lizardking  </div> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div> On 5/3/07, Iacopo Masi <<a href="mailto:iacopo.masi.list@gmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">iacopo.masi.list@gmail.com</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> I made my proposal[˛] to use and start from my OranSun [š] theme, that it is not delivered with Feisty. Let me know. [š] <a href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/OranSun" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/OranSun </a> [˛] <a href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/CommunityTheme" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/CommunityTheme </a> <div><div>On 5/1/07, nothlit <<a href="mailto:nothlit.linux@gmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">nothlit.linux@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div> On 5/1/07, Ravi Shanker <<a href="mailto:ra21vi@gmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"> ra21vi@gmail.com</a> > wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> This is in response to the <a href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/CommunityTheme" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/CommunityThem e </a> --------------------------------------------------------- I was too looking this to happen. I didn't know there are less people in the artwork community. Anyway, before we proceed, we need to put some time discussing about the current available theme on Gnome and other OS, what they represent, how they are good, and also which of them are better than other and why. This would probably lead us to know human feeling and reactions about the themes. We should not ignore what currently is available, they lead to better judgement and production.</blockquote><div> Yes, this is a great idea--but we also need to decide what <we> want to do, and make sure  we don't tally too long on what others have done. This is easily the sort of topic we could discuss on forever, without getting anything done. It may be better to do this quickly generally, and then focus on it as we work on specific aspects of the theme.  </div> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Right now Ubuntu looks very general, Fedora is working on better than best, but no steps taken to break the limit on Ubuntu. DOnt forget to work on mouse cursor theme too, look at MacOSx mouse thme and also Redhat BlueCurve mouse theme, they are beautiful. </blockquote><div> Don't forget jimmac's great cursor work. Yes, this is something we should work on, but cursors are usually pretty general--do we want an Ubuntu themed cursor? (One thing I would definitely want to avoid is the logo/animals being splashed everywhere all over it.) </div><div> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> One thing I would like to say (please dont flame :)) Tango is a good icon theme, but when I look at it, why doesnt it attract much, I came to the point that it totally lacks sharpness. In my designing time (though i am not a good and professional designer), I learn that sharpness gets more attraction, sharp edges are better with auto contrast they produce. Even a dull color but in sharp mode creates better visualisation than colorful less sharp objects. Try it working (take a pic blur the region around a small portion and then look at it in fullscreen, your eyes automtically attaches to sharp objects and regions). Current MacOSX and Vista has some sharpness in theme, (though vista lacks it in Folder views). So, the keywords in neXt theme production should be:         *Color         *Contrast         *Sharp         *Clean         *Real Space Objects (3d Feel) When we look at desktop, it should be in real sense. A desktop table, with light at a point, papers and objects on the table, shadows due to light above, minute details in the object to make it little more realistic, better contrast to figure the defference among objects and environment, sharp edges and corners. Look at the real desktop, and you can imagine it. Now, what about clean. My perception is that, a clean desktop and theme is more used (and used for more time than others in hands of those theme changing humans) than over modern and bright, glossy and very colorful themes(where color seems to pour out anytime). Real space objects are those which gives the sense of universal light, depth, space and 3d. It can be created using the consistent shadows, shines, perspective draws etc. </blockquote> </div><div>This, would definitely depend on what feel we want, and what we want to achive. For example we may want an african wilderness look--we would probably want more ragged, even fingerpaint like icons or rough earthy visualisations. In terms of Tango, its not meant to be super sharp--its designed to fit well on multiple sizes, and in all environments (MS, Linux, Apple--Light and Dark.) The colors are supposed to be middle of the line--and its strokes are supposed to fit well everywhere. Now, we can definitely mold an icon theme to be more daring than this. However, how much do we wish to take into account integration with other icons (that our theme may not cover) into this? The more we stray--the more jarring the impact will be when people wander out of our scope. </div> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Let me know what you think. We should also fix time over IRC to meet at #ubuntu-art </blockquote> Thats a great idea! I'm sure most of you guys are in the US--throw some suggestions of a time next week most of you can make? A thought: What aspect of people do we want to target? The sense of community? Of hipness? Should they feel like they're using the most advanced system? The most friendly? What are we trying to achieve here? Lets throw some more ideas out there! </div>-- ubuntu-art mailing list <a href="mailto:ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com</a> <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art</a> </blockquote></div> -- Iacopo Masi -- ubuntu-art mailing list <a href="mailto:ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com</a> <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art</a> </blockquote></div> -- </div>-=Ravi=- -- ubuntu-art mailing list <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com</a> <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art" target="_blank"> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art</a> </blockquote></div> -- Iacopo Masi