[ubuntu-art] Re: Before we vote...

[Billy]

On Tue, 2006-05-16 at 21:35 +0200, Michiel Sikma wrote:

> Who wrote:
> > On 5/16/06, Michiel Sikma <omega at avalanchestudios.net> wrote:
> > 
> >> I'd like to bring something up again. Why are there so many smooth
> >> engine skins in the proposed "internal" package? I feel as though we
> >> only need one, anyway, so we might as well move one of the eye-candy
> > 
> > 
> > Please note the 'Real' meaning of 'internal' and 'external' given to us 
> > by Mark!
> > 
> > Everything is going in _one_ package and the internal/external refers
> > to whether it was made by members of Ubuntu Art!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> Ah. I thought that someone once said that "internal" themes are 
> installed by default and that "external" themes are ones that can only 
> be chosen after downloading an extra themes pack from the repository.
> 
> Sorry about that, then. I guess I was mistaken. Thanks for letting me know.
> 
> Michiel
> 


Yes, I said that.
Despite that fact that Mark said
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2006-May/001272.html
He also said
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2006-April/001182.html
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2006-April/001183.html
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2006-May/001278.html

It's only logical that if you are going to clean out the old gnome
default, something must replace it. Therefore, all the themes we are
voting on would not be in ubuntu-artwork would they? This was logical
since we have complained about the garbage in gnome defaults for years.
I see now what Mark meant. Remove the garbage, have one gnome theme
(clearloooks) and put everything else in ubuntu-artwork, which is also
installed by default. I was looking to improve gnome, he was looking to
remove deadwood. As a gnome themer I couldn't see it any other
way....and still don't.

That is why I came to the conclusion, that internal=default and
external=ubuntu-artwork and why I have proposed fast light engine
themes....so many smooth. There are very few good quality eyecandy
themes, gpl. Seems silly to have one theme for gnome. Why not lead the
way in changing the horrible gnome defaults? What should have been said
is...."these are useless, no one uses them, I'm going to remove them,
and add themes ubuntu-art votes on".

Problem is, people do use them. Some do prefer an ungy fast, useable,
nothing in the way gui. That is why I offered to do thinice, mist, or
something for them. Are we just going to remove them and give them
pixmap and slow cairo? I don't think so!!! I won't take responsibility
in that slaughter! I have spoken for them. Will anyone listen and at
least give them the smooth engine. We do not need inexperienced, imature
voting for eyecandy not considering the real world. Sorry if that sounds
harsh, but it's the reason gnome has lagged in eyecandy for so long.
There needs to be a middle ground. Something for both ends on the
spectrum, and ubuntulooks is not light and fast, so that can not count
for light and fast just because it is an engine. Pixbuff is an
engine...is it light? No. Think of everyone before you vote!!!

I have taken references to internal and external out of the wiki because
it sadly doesn't matter.

Billy
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