<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 TRANSITIONAL//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; CHARSET=UTF-8"> <META NAME="GENERATOR" CONTENT="GtkHTML/3.10.0"> </HEAD> <BODY> On Tue, 2006-05-16 at 21:35 +0200, Michiel Sikma wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <PRE> Who wrote: > On 5/16/06, Michiel Sikma <<A HREF="mailto:omega@avalanchestudios.net">omega@avalanchestudios.net</A>> wrote: > >> I'd like to bring something up again. Why are there so many smooth >> engine skins in the proposed "internal" package? I feel as though we >> only need one, anyway, so we might as well move one of the eye-candy > > > Please note the 'Real' meaning of 'internal' and 'external' given to us > by Mark! > > Everything is going in _one_ package and the internal/external refers > to whether it was made by members of Ubuntu Art! > > > Ah. I thought that someone once said that "internal" themes are installed by default and that "external" themes are ones that can only be chosen after downloading an extra themes pack from the repository. Sorry about that, then. I guess I was mistaken. Thanks for letting me know. Michiel </PRE> </BLOCKQUOTE> Yes, I said that. Despite that fact that Mark said <TT><A HREF="https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2006-May/001272.html">https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2006-May/001272.html</A></TT> He also said <A HREF="https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2006-April/001182.html">https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2006-April/001182.html</A> <A HREF="https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2006-April/001183.html">https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2006-April/001183.html</A> <A HREF="https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2006-May/001278.html">https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2006-May/001278.html</A> It's only logical that if you are going to clean out the old gnome default, something must replace it. Therefore, all the themes we are voting on would not be in ubuntu-artwork would they? This was logical since we have complained about the garbage in gnome defaults for years. I see now what Mark meant. Remove the garbage, have one gnome theme (clearloooks) and put everything else in ubuntu-artwork, which is also installed by default. I was looking to improve gnome, he was looking to remove deadwood. As a gnome themer I couldn't see it any other way....and still don't. That is why I came to the conclusion, that internal=default and external=ubuntu-artwork and why I have proposed fast light engine themes....so many smooth. There are very few good quality eyecandy themes, gpl. Seems silly to have one theme for gnome. Why not lead the way in changing the horrible gnome defaults? What should have been said is...."these are useless, no one uses them, I'm going to remove them, and add themes ubuntu-art votes on". Problem is, people do use them. Some do prefer an ungy fast, useable, nothing in the way gui. That is why I offered to do thinice, mist, or something for them. Are we just going to remove them and give them pixmap and slow cairo? I don't think so!!! I won't take responsibility in that slaughter! I have spoken for them. Will anyone listen and at least give them the smooth engine. We do not need inexperienced, imature voting for eyecandy not considering the real world. Sorry if that sounds harsh, but it's the reason gnome has lagged in eyecandy for so long. There needs to be a middle ground. Something for both ends on the spectrum, and ubuntulooks is not light and fast, so that can not count for light and fast just because it is an engine. Pixbuff is an engine...is it light? No. Think of everyone before you vote!!! I have taken references to internal and external out of the wiki because it sadly doesn't matter. Billy </BODY> </HTML>