John
dingo at coco2.arach.net.au
Mon Nov 21 22:32:18 CST 2005
Benj. Mako Hill wrote:
> <quote who="John" date="Mon, Nov 21, 2005 at 09:12:28AM +0800">
>
>>Look at all the non-free stuff in /lib/hotplug/firmware. I have 88 files
>>in there and I know for certain some are non-free, so clearly non-free
>>isn't the issue.
>
>
> Non-free firmware and drivers are in restricted. If you'd like to put
> Sun Java in there, you'll need to convince us that a J2RE is either
> firmware or drivers.
>
> The other option is multiverse but we still need permission to
> package and redistribute it. We don't currently have that.
>
> It's true, we might be able to sign some deal with Sun to redistribute
> Java but the Ubuntu project very early on took a principled position
> that we would not sign deals that gave *us* freedom but did not allow
> us to transfer these down to our users or our derivatives.
Have you lobbied Sun to free up Java so you _can_ include it?
> That means Sun Java is out under the current licensing regime. You
> are free to disagree with our decision or to think that our principled
> position is inconvenient and wrong and you wouldn't be alone in
> thinking that. You're also welcome to try to change our minds. But
> first you need to recognize that this decision is not rooted in some
> sort of antagonism from our users -- this inconveniences *all* of us.
>
>
>>Users will use what's easiest to use, and Ubuntu isn't as easy as it
>>could be.
>
>
> Under this logic, we might as well just give up and point people to
> Microsoft Windows.
Installed Windows recentlly?
Download this.
Download that.
Wheres that CD?
Download theother.
Ok, I got Windows installed. Now, I'll just write a letter. I can't?
No, I think the answer's to do better.
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