MOTU application for Alessio Treglia (quadrispro)

[James Westby]

On Tue, 2009-01-20 at 01:23 +0100, Luca Falavigna wrote:
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> James Westby ha scritto:
> > The first was https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/317682. There was 
> > absolutely nothing wrong with the merge as far as I could see. However,
> > I asked some questions when I saw it. For instance, do we need to
> > remove that documentation in Ubuntu? Would it be better to minimise
> > the diff to Debian, or keep the documentation for our users? Is it
> > worth spending time on merging that change?
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> IIRC, Ubuntu considers GFDL free while Debian has some concerns about
> it. I didn't look at debian-legal to see the real issue with GFDL, so I
> could be wrong here.
> 
> Anyway, removing offending code doesn't produce side effects because it
> wasn't touched by build process at all and ghc6-doc package didn't
> change its content.
> 
> The only drawback of this merge is we have to transition some packages
> depending on ghc6, most of them have already been uploaded in Debian, so
> we should just limit to file some sync requests.
> 
> What about if ghc6 was in sync with Debian and we were before DIF? This
> would have been autosynced and no-one would have noticed, so I think
> re-adding removed code is not the good way here because we have to carry
> this delta basically forever with no advantages.

I agree, and I understood these issues. My point was that Alessio had
not said anything to suggest that he had, but at the same time hadn't 
said anything that made me doubt he did either. This is something I see
with most uploads I sponsor from Alessio, and so I wanted to raise the
issue.

> > I do not wish to block Alessio's application, but I wanted to outline
> > my concerns, and to ask the advocates how they came to trust Alessio's
> > decision making? I'm sure Alessio will be good MOTU, but I'm not quite
> > sure he is ready to not have his decisions checked before upload. I'm
> > quite willing to be told I am wrong though.
> 
> Italian LoCo has a "developers' team" which gathers italian MOTUs and
> contributors willing to improve Ubuntu experience by uploading packages.
> We meet in #ubuntu-it-dev, where we talk about Ubuntu development and
> try to teach one another packaging tips and suggestions. We grew up
> together and we achieved one of our goals because several people are now
> Ubuntu developers and Debian maintainers.
> 
> Our contributors usually ask questions in our channel, discuss about
> changes to be made in a given package and then provide a debdiff for
> review once they are ready for a final review by an Ubuntu developer.
> Alessio followed this road too, he asks questions in our channel and
> receives suggestions on how to proceed if unsure. I answered several of
> his questions and I feel I can trust his decision making because I know
> he will look for a peer review if not definitely sure about a fix, I
> know this because it's how he always behaved so far.

Thanks for the feedback. It's good to know that he does interact this
way with other developers. I have little reason left to oppose to this
application on any level now. Alessio, I'd still appreciate an answer to
my question in the previous mail.

I have no problem with people becoming MOTUs who I haven't interacted
enough with to be convinced of their skills, but when I am approached
to be an advocate it indicates that I should be one of the people that
is.

Alessio, I also owe you an apology for bringing this up now, rather than
at some point during the sponsorship process, or in private when 
approached to be an advocate. I hope you don't feel that I ambushed you
by taking this approach.

Thanks,

James