Fwd: Keyboard shortcuts (CTRL+C CTRL+V) don't work when keyboard is set to Hebrew

Sun Mar 1 21:02:21 UTC 2015

Ok, a good friend, and far more knowledgeable than myself in the world of
linux, gave me the solution.

He says he thinks the way Lubuntu switches between languages is the source
of the problem.

He told me to run this command:

*setxkbmap -option grp:alt_shift_toggle "us,il"*

Now everything works wonderfully.

How can I help lubuntu fix this problem?

Thank all of you for your patience and your help. It makes even solving
problems a nice experience.

אלעד הן
נייד: 052-5348554

On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 10:33 PM, אלעד הן <eladhen2 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I tried it out in Gedit. LibreOffice still has the spellchecker.
>
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> אלעד הן
> נייד: 052-5348554
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> On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 10:30 PM, Walter Lapchynski <wxl at ubuntu.com> wrote:
>
>> מזל טוב ☺
>>
>> What word processor?
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 12:28 PM, אלעד הן <eladhen2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > It worked! Thank you so much!
>> >
>> > The only problem is now I seem to have lost the Hebrew spell checker,
>> which
>> > I guess is part of the other Hebrew input method. Is there a way to get
>> only
>> > the spell checker?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > אלעד הן
>> > נייד: 052-5348554
>> >
>> > On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 10:15 PM, Walter Lapchynski <wxl at ubuntu.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Keyboard Input Methods in the Preferences menu. Or just run
>> >> `ibus-setup` from the command line. Or you can use the "Run" option in
>> >> the menu. Or you can use the Alt-F2 shortcut for that Run option.
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 12:09 PM, אלעד הן <eladhen2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > Well, I installed it but now embarrassingly I have no Idea where
>> >> > ibus-setup
>> >> > is...
>> >> >
>> >> > Anyway, as far as I know there are no physical differences between US
>> >> > and
>> >> > Hebrew keyboards.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > אלעד הן
>> >> > נייד: 052-5348554
>> >> >
>> >> > On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 10:05 PM, Walter Lapchynski <wxl at ubuntu.com>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Well, it might work with the Hebrew keyboard, too. It's worth trying
>> >> >> with
>> >> >> both.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On 3/1/15, אלעד הן <eladhen2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> > Thanks! Well, I have a US keyboard too (I have little stickers for
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > Hebrew letters) so this definitely seems worth a try.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > אלעד הן
>> >> >> > נייד: 052-5348554
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 9:36 PM, Walter Lapchynski <wxl at ubuntu.com
>> >
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> One thing I read from there is potentially installing the
>> >> >> >> `ibus-m17n`
>> >> >> >> package and then choosing the Hebrew input method in
>> `ibus-setup`. I
>> >> >> >> actually just did this, switched to the Hebrew input method and
>> was
>> >> >> >> able to copy and paste no problem. Of course, I do have a US
>> >> >> >> keyboard,
>> >> >> >> so that might not be a good test ☺
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 11:25 AM, אלעד הן <eladhen2 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> >> >> > Thank you very much.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > The problem is global as far as I can tell (in every program
>> and
>> >> >> >> > even
>> >> >> >> > in
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> > file manager).
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > I will try changing the layout and see if it helps.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > I came across this bit of information:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > http://en.libreofficeforum.org/node/1586
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > But I'm too ill-informed to understand if what they describe is
>> >> >> >> > the
>> >> >> >> > same
>> >> >> >> > problem and what exactly they're suggesting as a solution...
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > אלעד הן
>> >> >> >> > נייד: 052-5348554
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 8:58 PM, Walter Lapchynski <
>> wxl at ubuntu.com>
>> >> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> First off, there is an [Ubuntu Local Community in Israel][1]
>> that
>> >> >> >> >> you
>> >> >> >> >> may want to connect with, especially considering they have
>> >> >> >> >> probably
>> >> >> >> >> faced the same issue.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Secondly, this is not solely a Lubuntu issue. Sure, we have
>> >> >> >> >> different
>> >> >> >> >> GUI tools to do this and that but ultimately "under the hood"
>> >> >> >> >> Ubuntu
>> >> >> >> >> and Lubuntu is the same. That being said, it may be useful to
>> ask
>> >> >> >> >> in
>> >> >> >> >> Ubuntu circles what the appropriate command line solution is.
>> If
>> >> >> >> >> you
>> >> >> >> >> can figure that out, I'm sure we can translate that into an
>> >> >> >> >> appropriate Lubuntu GUI solution.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Now, is this only in the word processor or is this global? If
>> >> >> >> >> it's
>> >> >> >> >> only the word processor, you might want to see if it has
>> better
>> >> >> >> >> support for Hebrew. For example, I know of the package
>> >> >> >> >> `libreoffice-l10n-he` which adds some additional support for
>> >> >> >> >> Hebrew.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> If it is global, then you may want to try the alternative
>> >> >> >> >> keyboard
>> >> >> >> >> layouts (lyx, phonetic, biblical). I have searched through the
>> >> >> >> >> plethora of options that `setxkbmap` offers (see `man
>> >> >> >> >> xkeyboard-config`) and I don't find anything particularly
>> >> >> >> >> obvious,
>> >> >> >> >> so
>> >> >> >> >> I would imagine that one of these three layouts probably has
>> your
>> >> >> >> >> solution.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> My guess is either that this is specific to a particular
>> >> >> >> >> application
>> >> >> >> >> (in which case the answer may involve digging through its
>> >> >> >> >> configuration and/or complaining to the folks that make that
>> >> >> >> >> application) or that some existing keyboard layout or option
>> >> >> >> >> provides
>> >> >> >> >> the answer.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> It is possible that people just switch keyboard layouts. Sure
>> >> >> >> >> seems
>> >> >> >> >> strange, but it's possible. If you look at the "Switching to
>> >> >> >> >> another
>> >> >> >> >> layout" section in the aforementioned man page, you'll see you
>> >> >> >> >> can
>> >> >> >> >> define hotkeys to quickly make this change.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> I will note that /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/il seems to be
>> >> >> >> >> written
>> >> >> >> >> by
>> >> >> >> >> someone who has a better sense of Hebrew than I do,
>> referencing
>> >> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> "standard SI-1452." That being said, I my gut tells me they
>> >> >> >> >> probably
>> >> >> >> >> didn't miss this crucial set of hotkeys.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> If you discover the answer, please share with us! Perhaps even
>> >> >> >> >> better,
>> >> >> >> >> add what you find to the [Hebrew Localization Ubuntu wiki
>> >> >> >> >> page][2].
>> >> >> >> >> Good luck!
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> [1]: http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-il/
>> >> >> >> >> [2]:
>> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HebrewLocalizationHowto
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 8:26 AM, אלעד הן <elad2040 at gmail.com>
>> >> >> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> > Thanks for responding. I'm to much of a newbie to understand
>> >> >> >> >> > most
>> >> >> >> >> > of
>> >> >> >> >> > what
>> >> >> >> >> > you said though :(
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > The site doesn't seem to be related to linux...
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > I looked through the different keyboard options in
>> >> >> >> >> > "preferences"
>> >> >> >> >> > and
>> >> >> >> >> > there
>> >> >> >> >> > aren't many of them, and nothing looks relevant...
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > אלעד הן
>> >> >> >> >> > נייד: 052-5348554
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 6:09 PM, Israel <
>> israeldahl at gmail.com>
>> >> >> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> On 03/01/2015 04:55 AM, אלעד הן wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> Hi everyone. I'm a total newbie and probably doing this
>> wrong
>> >> >> >> >> >> but
>> >> >> >> bare
>> >> >> >> >> >> with me... I tried searching for answers to this problem,
>> but
>> >> >> >> although
>> >> >> >> >> >> I've
>> >> >> >> >> >> found several references to it, I couldn't find a solution.
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> Anyway, I installed lubuntu 14.04 (not the 64 bit version)
>> on
>> >> >> >> >> >> my
>> >> >> >> >> >> old
>> >> >> >> >> >> laptop and I'm very pleased with the performances.
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> When word-processing I mostly use Hebrew, and I've found
>> the
>> >> >> >> >> >> Keyboard
>> >> >> >> >> >> shortcuts don't work when I'm the keyboard is switched to
>> >> >> >> >> >> Hebrew.
>> >> >> >> This
>> >> >> >> >> >> means
>> >> >> >> >> >> that every time I want to copy and paste in Hebrew I first
>> >> >> >> >> >> have
>> >> >> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> >> >> switch
>> >> >> >> >> >> back to English, use the shortcuts and switch back to
>> Hebrew.
>> >> >> >> >> >> This
>> >> >> >> is a
>> >> >> >> >> >> very
>> >> >> >> >> >> big problem for the flow of work, and makes the shortcuts
>> >> >> >> >> >> hardly
>> >> >> >> short.
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> Does anyone have a solution for this?
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> Thank you.
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> אלעד הן
>> >> >> >> >> >> נייד: 052-5348554
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> Hi Elad,
>> >> >> >> >> >> It may be an issue with the way the Hebrew keyboard is
>> mapped.
>> >> >> >> >> >> The
>> >> >> >> >> >> keyboard probably represents "V" and "C" incorrectly.
>>  Which
>> >> >> >> >> >> would
>> >> >> >> >> >> make
>> >> >> >> >> >> sense, which one becomes 'V' and which one becomes 'C'?
>> There
>> >> >> >> >> >> are
>> >> >> >> >> >> at
>> >> >> >> >> >> least
>> >> >> >> >> >> 2 for each of those that I can think of, right?
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> You may find something here:
>> >> >> >> >> >> http://penguin.org.il/
>> >> >> >> >> >> Since it is an Israeli Linux site.
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> I think this may be related to X keyboard mapping, though
>> that
>> >> >> >> >> >> is
>> >> >> >> >> >> a
>> >> >> >> >> >> guess.
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> Sorry I do not know a specific solution, though.  You might
>> >> >> >> >> >> try
>> >> >> >> asking
>> >> >> >> >> >> in
>> >> >> >> >> >> Hebrew specific IRC channels, or asking someone at a local
>> >> >> >> >> >> Linux
>> >> >> >> >> >> User
>> >> >> >> >> >> Group.
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> --
>> >> >> >> >> >> Regards
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> --
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>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
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>> >> >> >>
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>> >> >> >> @wxl | http://polka.bike
>> >> >> >> Lubuntu Release Manager, Head of QA
>> >> >> >> Ubuntu PPC Point of Contact
>> >> >> >> Ubuntu Oregon LoCo Team Leader
>> >> >> >> Eugene Unix & GNU/Linux User Group Co-Organizer
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> @wxl | http://polka.bike
>> >> Lubuntu Release Manager, Head of QA
>> >> Ubuntu PPC Point of Contact
>> >> Ubuntu Oregon LoCo Team Leader
>> >> Eugene Unix & GNU/Linux User Group Co-Organizer
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> Lubuntu Release Manager, Head of QA
>> Ubuntu PPC Point of Contact
>> Ubuntu Oregon LoCo Team Leader
>> Eugene Unix & GNU/Linux User Group Co-Organizer
>>
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