14.04 seems subject to bug 1046563 with update-manager/notifier [SOLVED]
John Hupp
lubuntu at prpcompany.com
Tue May 20 13:39:12 UTC 2014
Software Updater appeared again today, the third day in a row, so I'm
calling this solved.
On 5/19/2014 12:49 PM, John Hupp wrote:
> Software Updater appeared again today. That's two days in a row. I
> left some updates uninstalled, so if it appears again tomorrow I am
> ready to call this solved.
>
> For anyone just tuning in now, the bug in which 14.04 does not
> autostart anything from /etc/xdg/autostart affects update-notifier
> (yes, it's in the Release Notes, but I only remembered the application
> to nm-applet).
>
> But the behavior of update-notifier and update-manager is governed by
> software-properties-gtk (Preferences: Software & Updates: Updates
> tab), and the setting there to "Automatically check for updates:
> Daily" seems to be not a statement about how often update servers are
> checked, but rather how often updates will be offered to the user. So
> even after I got update-notifier running via the prescribed
> workaround, my testing method (rebooting after changing this, that or
> the other, then waiting to see if Software Updater would appear) was
> doomed to show that updates were unreliable. If the user refuses
> updates once for the sake of testing, and reboots another 100 times
> that day, the updates will not be offered again.
>
> On 5/18/2014 1:38 PM, bapoumba wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> software-properties got offered to be upgraded when I booted up this
>> morning :)
>>
>>
>> On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 5:23 PM, John Hupp <lubuntu at prpcompany.com
>> <mailto:lubuntu at prpcompany.com>> wrote:
>>
>> When I booted the laptop today (with the Default applications for
>> LXSession in place), I was immediately offered updates, so I take
>> that as a good initial confirmation of what I posted yesterday.
>>
>> I installed some, but not all of the updates, so we'll see if I'm
>> offered more over the next couple days.
>>
>>
>> On 5/17/2014 5:07 PM, bapoumba wrote:
>>> Hey John,
>>>
>>> everything is set up to daily.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> b.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 10:46 PM, John Hupp
>>> <lubuntu at prpcompany.com <mailto:lubuntu at prpcompany.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> At this point I'd like to think that there is much less of a
>>> problem than I thought for a while, but since the issue has
>>> security implications it's worth being sure.
>>>
>>> Assuming proper behavior for a moment, apart from phased
>>> updates, another delineation point is whether the available
>>> updates are Security or Other. Preferences: Software &
>>> Updates: Updates (software-properties-gtk) by default is set
>>> to display security updates immediately (but only once
>>> daily, as it now seems to mean!), but other updates weekly.
>>> So if your list happens to include only other updates, then
>>> nothing would appear for a week.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/17/2014 4:34 PM, bapoumba wrote:
>>>> Hello :)
>>>>
>>>> I've been keeping an eye on this.
>>>>
>>>> For 2 days, update-notifier has not reported anything. just
>>>> checked today with apt-get and got this from a simulation
>>>> on upgrade :
>>>>
>>>> The following packages will be upgraded:
>>>> apport apport-gtk python3-apport python3-problem-report
>>>> python3-software-properties software-properties-common
>>>> software-properties-gtk
>>>>
>>>> Looking here :
>>>> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/phased-updates.html
>>>> <http://people.canonical.com/%7Eubuntu-archive/phased-updates.html>,
>>>> I see software-propoerties has currently been offered to
>>>> 90% of users and is on day 2, I'll wait for a day or two.
>>>> The other one that I have installed and could be upgraded
>>>> is apport, but it is being blocked due to
>>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/1282349
>>>> The apport bug seems fixed, but the package offered by
>>>> apt-get is still 2.14.1 :
>>>>
>>>> Inst apport [2.14.1-0ubuntu3] (2.14.1-0ubuntu3.1
>>>> Ubuntu:14.04/trusty-updates [all])
>>>>
>>>> when the fix is in package apport - 2.14.2-0ubuntu1, only
>>>> available in utopic for now (I'm on trusty).
>>>>
>>>> So we'll see.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> b.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 9:36 PM, John Hupp
>>>> <lubuntu at prpcompany.com <mailto:lubuntu at prpcompany.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 5/17/2014 2:57 PM, brendanperrine wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, 17 May 2014 14:37:38 -0400
>>>> John Hupp <lubuntu at prpcompany.com
>>>> <mailto:lubuntu at prpcompany.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Some fresh experiences today:
>>>>
>>>> I booted the laptop, manually ran just
>>>> "update-notifier" from the
>>>> terminal (and yes, I did forget to add " &"),
>>>> and Software Updater
>>>> appeared almost immediately to offer a big
>>>> batch of updates.
>>>>
>>>> Rather inexplicable, but running with it just
>>>> to see what would happen,
>>>> I rebooted without installing anything, added
>>>> update-notifier to Default
>>>> applications for LXSession: Autostart tab, and
>>>> rebooted again. The
>>>> update-notifier changelog indicates that it is
>>>> supposed to poll every
>>>> 180 seconds. For good measure I gave it 10
>>>> minutes, but Software
>>>> Updater did not appear. I rebooted 10 times
>>>> and waited 10 minutes each
>>>> time, all with the same no-show results.
>>>>
>>>> I also booted the desktop on which I installed
>>>> 14.04 a couple days ago.
>>>> I did not manually run update-notifier but
>>>> instead set up the
>>>> update-notifier workaround in Default
>>>> applications for LXSession. I
>>>> rebooted and *Software Updater almost
>>>> immediately offered 140+ MB of
>>>> updates*, which I installed.
>>>>
>>>> Back on the laptop, I gave it an Ethernet
>>>> connection and rebooted 5 more
>>>> times, waiting 10 minutes each time. Still no
>>>> updates offered.
>>>>
>>>> I removed the update-notifier entry from
>>>> Default applications for
>>>> LXSession: Autostart, pulled the Ethernet plug,
>>>> switched the WiFi back
>>>> on, and rebooted. I ran "update-notifier &"
>>>> from a terminal and waited
>>>> 10 minutes. No results. I did this 5 times.
>>>>
>>>> Then I did the same as above but ran
>>>> "dbus-launch update-notifier &"
>>>> instead. I did this 3 times with no results.
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> The only hypothesis I can see from the above is
>>>> that
>>>> update-notifier/manager will offer the updates
>>>> once (per day?), and if
>>>> you don't install them it will not offer them
>>>> again.
>>>>
>>>> Could this be?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think in software and updates from the menu is
>>>> set to check daily by default.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I see that now, and that may be the simple and good
>>>> explanation for what appeared to be bad behavior.
>>>> Though update-notifier runs as a daemon and polls
>>>> every 180s, it is update-manager that actually offers
>>>> the updates, so clearly there is some mechanism between
>>>> them (which I have asked about here before).
>>>>
>>>> Software-properties-gtk (aka Preferences: Software &
>>>> Updates) is supposed to "manage the repositories that
>>>> you install software from," and its manpage describes
>>>> it simply as a software sources list editor, but via
>>>> its Updates tab it also seems to govern
>>>> update-notifier/manager.
>>>>
>>>> Since it cannot be set to check more often than daily,
>>>> it looks like I'll have to wait until tomorrow to
>>>> confirm whether it works, but I'll manually add
>>>> update-notifier back to the Autostart list.
>>>>
>>>> If that succeeds, then there really is no deep problem,
>>>> only the problem with /etc/xdg/autostart that also
>>>> affects nm-applet, etc., for which we have the
>>>> workaround (and for which a true fix is in the works).
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, Brendan!
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> --
>>>> bapoumba
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> bapoumba
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> bapoumba
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