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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Software Updater appeared again today,
the third day in a row, so I'm calling this solved.<br>
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On 5/19/2014 12:49 PM, John Hupp wrote:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Software Updater appeared again
today. That's two days in a row. I left some updates
uninstalled, so if it appears again tomorrow I am ready to call
this solved.<br>
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For anyone just tuning in now, the bug in which 14.04 does not
autostart anything from /etc/xdg/autostart affects
update-notifier (yes, it's in the Release Notes, but I only
remembered the application to nm-applet).<br>
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But the behavior of update-notifier and update-manager is
governed by software-properties-gtk (Preferences: Software &
Updates: Updates tab), and the setting there to "Automatically
check for updates: Daily" seems to be not a statement about how
often update servers are checked, but rather how often updates
will be offered to the user. So even after I got
update-notifier running via the prescribed workaround, my
testing method (rebooting after changing this, that or the
other, then waiting to see if Software Updater would appear) was
doomed to show that updates were unreliable. If the user
refuses updates once for the sake of testing, and reboots
another 100 times that day, the updates will not be offered
again.<br>
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On 5/18/2014 1:38 PM, bapoumba wrote:<br>
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<div>Hello,<br>
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software-properties got offered to be upgraded when I booted
up this morning :)<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 5:23 PM, John
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<div>When I booted the laptop today (with the Default
applications for LXSession in place), I was
immediately offered updates, so I take that as a good
initial confirmation of what I posted yesterday.<br>
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I installed some, but not all of the updates, so we'll
see if I'm offered more over the next couple days.
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On 5/17/2014 5:07 PM, bapoumba wrote:<br>
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<div>Hey John,<br>
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everything is set up to daily.<br>
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Cheers,<br>
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b.<br>
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10:46 PM, John Hupp <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<div>At this point I'd like to think that
there is much less of a problem than I
thought for a while, but since the issue
has security implications it's worth
being sure.<br>
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Assuming proper behavior for a moment,
apart from phased updates, another
delineation point is whether the
available updates are Security or
Other. Preferences: Software &
Updates: Updates
(software-properties-gtk) by default is
set to display security updates
immediately (but only once daily, as it
now seems to mean!), but other updates
weekly. So if your list happens to
include only other updates, then nothing
would appear for a week.
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On 5/17/2014 4:34 PM, bapoumba
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<div>Hello :)<br>
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I've been keeping
an eye on this.<br>
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For 2 days,
update-notifier has
not reported
anything. just
checked today with
apt-get and got this
from a simulation on
upgrade :<br>
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The following
packages will be
upgraded:<br>
apport apport-gtk
python3-apport
python3-problem-report<br>
python3-software-properties
software-properties-common<br>
software-properties-gtk<br>
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Looking here : <a
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target="_blank">http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/phased-updates.html</a>,
I see
software-propoerties
has currently been
offered to 90% of
users and is on day 2,
I'll wait for a day or
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The other one that I
have installed and could
be upgraded is apport,
but it is being blocked
due to <a
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The apport bug seems
fixed, but the package
offered by apt-get is
still 2.14.1 :<br>
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Inst apport
[2.14.1-0ubuntu3]
(2.14.1-0ubuntu3.1
Ubuntu:14.04/trusty-updates
[all])<br>
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when the fix is in package
apport - 2.14.2-0ubuntu1,
only available in utopic for
now (I'm on trusty).<br>
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So we'll see.<br>
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Cheers,<br>
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b.<br>
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May 17, 2014 at 9:36 PM, John
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<div>On 5/17/2014 2:57 PM,
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On Sat, 17 May 2014
14:37:38 -0400<br>
John Hupp <<a
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Some fresh experiences
today:<br>
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I booted the laptop,
manually ran just
"update-notifier" from
the<br>
terminal (and yes, I
did forget to add "
&"), and Software
Updater<br>
appeared almost
immediately to offer a
big batch of updates.<br>
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Rather inexplicable,
but running with it
just to see what would
happen,<br>
I rebooted without
installing anything,
added update-notifier
to Default<br>
applications for
LXSession: Autostart
tab, and rebooted
again. The<br>
update-notifier
changelog indicates
that it is supposed to
poll every<br>
180 seconds. For good
measure I gave it 10
minutes, but Software<br>
Updater did not
appear. I rebooted 10
times and waited 10
minutes each<br>
time, all with the
same no-show results.<br>
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I also booted the
desktop on which I
installed 14.04 a
couple days ago.<br>
I did not manually run
update-notifier but
instead set up the<br>
update-notifier
workaround in Default
applications for
LXSession. I<br>
rebooted and *Software
Updater almost
immediately offered
140+ MB of<br>
updates*, which I
installed.<br>
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Back on the laptop, I
gave it an Ethernet
connection and
rebooted 5 more<br>
times, waiting 10
minutes each time.
Still no updates
offered.<br>
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I removed the
update-notifier entry
from Default
applications for<br>
LXSession: Autostart,
pulled the Ethernet
plug, switched the
WiFi back<br>
on, and rebooted. I
ran "update-notifier
&" from a terminal
and waited<br>
10 minutes. No
results. I did this 5
times.<br>
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Then I did the same as
above but ran
"dbus-launch
update-notifier &"<br>
instead. I did this 3
times with no results.<br>
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The only hypothesis I
can see from the above
is that<br>
update-notifier/manager
will offer the updates
once (per day?), and
if<br>
you don't install them
it will not offer them
again.<br>
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Could this be?<br>
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I think in software and
updates from the menu is
set to check daily by
default.<br>
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I see that now, and that may
be the simple and good
explanation for what appeared
to be bad behavior. Though
update-notifier runs as a
daemon and polls every 180s,
it is update-manager that
actually offers the updates,
so clearly there is some
mechanism between them (which
I have asked about here
before).<br>
<br>
Software-properties-gtk (aka
Preferences: Software &
Updates) is supposed to
"manage the repositories that
you install software from,"
and its manpage describes it
simply as a software sources
list editor, but via its
Updates tab it also seems to
govern
update-notifier/manager.<br>
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Since it cannot be set to
check more often than daily,
it looks like I'll have to
wait until tomorrow to confirm
whether it works, but I'll
manually add update-notifier
back to the Autostart list.<br>
<br>
If that succeeds, then there
really is no deep problem,
only the problem with
/etc/xdg/autostart that also
affects nm-applet, etc., for
which we have the workaround
(and for which a true fix is
in the works).<br>
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Thanks, Brendan!
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