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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Software Updater appeared again today,
      the third day in a row, so I'm calling this solved.<br>
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      On 5/19/2014 12:49 PM, John Hupp wrote:<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Software Updater appeared again
        today.  That's two days in a row.  I left some updates
        uninstalled, so if it appears again tomorrow I am ready to call
        this solved.<br>
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        For anyone just tuning in now, the bug in which 14.04 does not
        autostart anything from /etc/xdg/autostart affects
        update-notifier (yes, it's in the Release Notes, but I only
        remembered the application to nm-applet).<br>
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        But the behavior of update-notifier and update-manager is
        governed by software-properties-gtk (Preferences: Software &
        Updates: Updates tab), and the setting there to "Automatically
        check for updates: Daily" seems to be not a statement about how
        often update servers are checked, but rather how often updates
        will be offered to the user.  So even after I got
        update-notifier running via the prescribed workaround, my
        testing method (rebooting after changing this, that or the
        other, then waiting to see if Software Updater would appear) was
        doomed to show that updates were unreliable.  If the user
        refuses updates once for the sake of testing, and reboots
        another 100 times that day, the updates will not be offered
        again.<br>
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        On 5/18/2014 1:38 PM, bapoumba wrote:<br>
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          <div>Hello,<br>
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          software-properties got offered to be upgraded when I booted
          up this morning :)<br>
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          <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 5:23 PM, John
            Hupp <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:lubuntu@prpcompany.com" target="_blank">lubuntu@prpcompany.com</a>></span>
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                <div>When I booted the laptop today (with the Default
                  applications for LXSession in place), I was
                  immediately offered updates, so I take that as a good
                  initial confirmation of what I posted yesterday.<br>
                  <br>
                  I installed some, but not all of the updates, so we'll
                  see if I'm offered more over the next couple days.
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                      On 5/17/2014 5:07 PM, bapoumba wrote:<br>
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                            <div>Hey John,<br>
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                            everything is set up to daily.<br>
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                          Cheers,<br>
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                        b.<br>
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                        <div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, May 17, 2014 at
                          10:46 PM, John Hupp <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                          wrote:<br>
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                              <div>At this point I'd like to think that
                                there is much less of a problem than I
                                thought for a while, but since the issue
                                has security implications it's worth
                                being sure.<br>
                                <br>
                                Assuming proper behavior for a moment,
                                apart from phased updates, another
                                delineation point is whether the
                                available updates are Security or
                                Other.  Preferences: Software &
                                Updates: Updates
                                (software-properties-gtk) by default is
                                set to display security updates
                                immediately (but only once daily, as it
                                now seems to mean!), but other updates
                                weekly.  So if your list happens to
                                include only other updates, then nothing
                                would appear for a week.
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                                    On 5/17/2014 4:34 PM, bapoumba
                                    wrote:<br>
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                                                      <div>Hello :)<br>
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                                                      I've been keeping
                                                      an eye on this.<br>
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                                                    For 2 days,
                                                    update-notifier has
                                                    not reported
                                                    anything. just
                                                    checked today with
                                                    apt-get and got this
                                                    from a simulation on
                                                    upgrade :<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    The following
                                                    packages will be
                                                    upgraded:<br>
                                                      apport apport-gtk
                                                    python3-apport
                                                    python3-problem-report<br>
                                                     
                                                    python3-software-properties
software-properties-common<br>
                                                     
                                                    software-properties-gtk<br>
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                                                  Looking here : <a
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href="http://people.canonical.com/%7Eubuntu-archive/phased-updates.html"
                                                    target="_blank">http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/phased-updates.html</a>,
                                                  I see
                                                  software-propoerties
                                                  has currently been
                                                  offered to 90% of
                                                  users and is on day 2,
                                                  I'll wait for a day or
                                                  two.<br>
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                                                The other one that I
                                                have installed and could
                                                be upgraded is apport,
                                                but it is being blocked
                                                due to <a
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href="https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/1282349"
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                                              The apport bug seems
                                              fixed, but the package
                                              offered by apt-get is
                                              still 2.14.1 :<br>
                                              <br>
                                              Inst apport
                                              [2.14.1-0ubuntu3]
                                              (2.14.1-0ubuntu3.1
                                              Ubuntu:14.04/trusty-updates
                                              [all])<br>
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                                            when the fix is in package
                                            apport - 2.14.2-0ubuntu1,
                                            only available in utopic for
                                            now (I'm on trusty).<br>
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                                          So we'll see.<br>
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                                        Cheers,<br>
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                                      b.<br>
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                                      <div class="gmail_quote">On Sat,
                                        May 17, 2014 at 9:36 PM, John
                                        Hupp <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                                            <div>On 5/17/2014 2:57 PM,
                                              brendanperrine wrote:<br>
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                                                14:37:38 -0400<br>
                                                John Hupp <<a
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                                                wrote:<br>
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                                                  Some fresh experiences
                                                  today:<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  I booted the laptop,
                                                  manually ran just
                                                  "update-notifier" from
                                                  the<br>
                                                  terminal (and yes, I
                                                  did forget to add "
                                                  &"), and Software
                                                  Updater<br>
                                                  appeared almost
                                                  immediately to offer a
                                                  big batch of updates.<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  Rather inexplicable,
                                                  but running with it
                                                  just to see what would
                                                  happen,<br>
                                                  I rebooted without
                                                  installing anything,
                                                  added update-notifier
                                                  to Default<br>
                                                  applications for
                                                  LXSession: Autostart
                                                  tab, and rebooted
                                                  again.  The<br>
                                                  update-notifier
                                                  changelog indicates
                                                  that it is supposed to
                                                  poll every<br>
                                                  180 seconds.  For good
                                                  measure I gave it 10
                                                  minutes, but Software<br>
                                                  Updater did not
                                                  appear.  I rebooted 10
                                                  times and waited 10
                                                  minutes each<br>
                                                  time, all with the
                                                  same no-show results.<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  I also booted the
                                                  desktop on which I
                                                  installed 14.04 a
                                                  couple days ago.<br>
                                                  I did not manually run
                                                  update-notifier but
                                                  instead set up the<br>
                                                  update-notifier
                                                  workaround in Default
                                                  applications for
                                                  LXSession.  I<br>
                                                  rebooted and *Software
                                                  Updater almost
                                                  immediately offered
                                                  140+ MB of<br>
                                                  updates*, which I
                                                  installed.<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  Back on the laptop, I
                                                  gave it an Ethernet
                                                  connection and
                                                  rebooted 5 more<br>
                                                  times, waiting 10
                                                  minutes each time.
                                                   Still no updates
                                                  offered.<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  I removed the
                                                  update-notifier entry
                                                  from Default
                                                  applications for<br>
                                                  LXSession: Autostart,
                                                  pulled the Ethernet
                                                  plug, switched the
                                                  WiFi back<br>
                                                  on, and rebooted.  I
                                                  ran "update-notifier
                                                  &" from a terminal
                                                  and waited<br>
                                                  10 minutes.  No
                                                  results.  I did this 5
                                                  times.<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  Then I did the same as
                                                  above but ran
                                                  "dbus-launch
                                                  update-notifier &"<br>
                                                  instead.  I did this 3
                                                  times with no results.<br>
                                                  <br>
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                                                  The only hypothesis I
                                                  can see from the above
                                                  is that<br>
                                                  update-notifier/manager

                                                  will offer the updates
                                                  once (per day?), and
                                                  if<br>
                                                  you don't install them
                                                  it will not offer them
                                                  again.<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  Could this be?<br>
                                                  <br>
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                                                I think in software and
                                                updates from the menu is
                                                set to check daily by
                                                default.<br>
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                                          I see that now, and that may
                                          be the simple and good
                                          explanation for what appeared
                                          to be bad behavior.  Though
                                          update-notifier runs as a
                                          daemon and polls every 180s,
                                          it is update-manager that
                                          actually offers the updates,
                                          so clearly there is some
                                          mechanism between them (which
                                          I have asked about here
                                          before).<br>
                                          <br>
                                          Software-properties-gtk (aka
                                          Preferences: Software &
                                          Updates) is supposed to
                                          "manage the repositories that
                                          you install software from,"
                                          and its manpage describes it
                                          simply as a software sources
                                          list editor, but via its
                                          Updates tab it also seems to
                                          govern
                                          update-notifier/manager.<br>
                                          <br>
                                          Since it cannot be set to
                                          check more often than daily,
                                          it looks like I'll have to
                                          wait until tomorrow to confirm
                                          whether it works, but I'll
                                          manually add update-notifier
                                          back to the Autostart list.<br>
                                          <br>
                                          If that succeeds, then there
                                          really is no deep problem,
                                          only the problem with
                                          /etc/xdg/autostart that also
                                          affects nm-applet, etc., for
                                          which we have the workaround
                                          (and for which a true fix is
                                          in the works).<br>
                                          <br>
                                          Thanks, Brendan!
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