14.04 seems subject to bug 1046563 with update-manager/notifier
lubuntu at prpcompany.com
Tue May 13 21:18:25 UTC 2014
On 5/12/2014 6:09 AM, bapoumba wrote:
> Hello !
> On Sun, 11 May 2014 20:07:35 +0200, John Hupp <lubuntu at prpcompany.com>
> It's now been 3 full days, and I have not been notified about any
> available updates yet. A manual run of Software Updater now shows
> 4.3 MB available. So it does not seem that the delay is due to
> phased updates, but that the bug 1046563 is still active here.
> @bapoumba, you seemed to have the same problem. Any new observations?
> As I mentioned in the forums thread, some of the packages I had
> spotted have shown up in update-notifier. I'm keeping an eye on this
> and will report again if packages are not being pushed in
> update-notifier after the 3-4 days watch period when no bugs or issues
> are reported.
> Of course, the upgrade process will explicitly be stopped in
> update-notifier if bugs are reported.
> I'll have a closer look later tonight (I'm UTC +1).
> And of course, there is also the other issue in the discussion at
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2222325 -- the
> discrepancy between updates found by update-manager and by
> Synaptic or apt-get upgrade -- and I don't know of a bug report in
> connection with that. I have not myself seen this second issue.
> Apt-get upgrade current offers 4.3 MB of upgrades, just as
> Software Updater does.
> On 5/8/2014 12:43 PM, John Hupp wrote:
>> OK, I'm in good position to test whether this is the old bug at
>> work or simply phased updates working properly. I just ran
>> Software Updater manually and it identified 683 KB of updates
>> available for the Lubuntu Base. I did not install the updates,
>> so within 2.5 days I should be notified that there are updates
>> On 5/8/2014 8:26 AM, bapoumba wrote:
>>> Ah very very good point
>>> the iputils packages are showing up on that page.
>>> Thank you much, I always forget about phase updates..
>>> On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 2:05 PM, Dale Visser
>>> <dale.visser at live.com <mailto:dale.visser at live.com>> wrote:
>>> You may just be encountering "phased updates" for the first
>>> time in this version:
>>> It takes 2.5 days for a new phased update to roll out to all
>>> users. Apt-get bypasses the delays and gets everything that
>>> can be updated.
>>> Sent from my Windows Phone
>>> From: bapoumba <mailto:bapoumba at ubuntu.com>
>>> Sent: 5/8/2014 5:50 AM
>>> To: John Hupp <mailto:lubuntu at prpcompany.com>
>>> Cc: lubuntu user list <mailto:lubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>> Subject: Re: 14.04 seems subject to bug 1046563 with
>>> thanks for the email, I was about to post one.
>>> First off, I'd like to apologize for silently joining the
>>> list a few weeks back. So hello, you'll mainly find me on
>>> the forums :)
>>> I've added a few things to the forums thread, and linked the
>>> bug report here
>>> I've also added "trusty" to the title.
>>> Now I'm not that familiar with update-manager
>>> (software-updater) and not sure where to look at to
>>> troubleshoot and add useful information.
>>> To me, the biggest issue is the discrepancy between apt-get
>>> upgrade and software updater.
>>> Would anyone know ?
>>> Have a good day !
>>> On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 9:13 PM, John Hupp
>>> <lubuntu at prpcompany.com <mailto:lubuntu at prpcompany.com>> wrote:
>>> I don't find the issue in the Lubuntu or Ubuntu 14.04
>>> Release Notes, but it seems like 14.04 is subject to
>>> reported for 12.04, in which automatic updating fails.
>>> I was noticing that I wasn't being prompted to install
>>> software updates. I ran Software Updater
>>> (update-manager) manually once and got a big batch of
>>> updates. I ran it manually again today and it
>>> identified another batch that I could get. It included
>>> updates for Software Updater, so perhaps that will fix
>>> the problem.
>>> There is a big discussion of the problem at
>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2222325. And
>>> beyond the notification problem, a number of people
>>> report seeing big differences between the updates
>>> identified by update-manager and Synaptic.
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Update-manager now identifies 22.9 MB of Security updates: 22.9 MB for
the Lubuntu base and 49.5 MB of Other updates, and update-notifier has
still not prompted to install anything. (I have not manually installed
any updates since 5/8 or before when I started watching this closely.
I have been trying to gather documentation for troubleshooting purposes,
but have not had great success.
Update-notifier is described as a daemon, but I find that it has no
process running. There is also no Upstart job to launch the daemon in
/etc/init. I thought I was on to something at that point, but then I
found this 2012 blueprint
and this brief wiki <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UpdateNotifier> which imply
that update-notifier might normally not be continually running now, that
monitoring might be handled instead by an "upstart-file-bridge." Is
update-notifier continually running for any of you?
I suppose my next move may be to find out about upstart-file-bridges.
In any case, I currently don't know enough to lay out further
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