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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/12/2014 6:09 AM, bapoumba wrote:<br>
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<div>Hello !</div>
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<div>On Sun, 11 May 2014 20:07:35 +0200, John Hupp
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:lubuntu@prpcompany.com"><lubuntu@prpcompany.com></a> wrote:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">It's now been 3 full days, and I
have not been notified about any available updates yet. A
manual run of Software Updater now shows 4.3 MB available. So
it does not seem that the delay is due to phased updates, but
that the bug 1046563 is still active here.<br>
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@bapoumba, you seemed to have the same problem. Any new
observations?</div>
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<div>As I mentioned in the forums thread, some of the packages I
had spotted have shown up in update-notifier. I'm keeping an eye
on this and will report again if packages are not being pushed
in update-notifier after the 3-4 days watch period when no bugs
or issues are reported.</div>
<div>Of course, the upgrade process will explicitly be stopped in
update-notifier if bugs are reported.</div>
<div>I'll have a closer look later tonight (I'm UTC +1).</div>
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<div>Regards,</div>
<div>b.</div>
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And of course, there is also the other issue in the discussion
at <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2222325">http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2222325</a>
-- the discrepancy between updates found by update-manager and
by Synaptic or apt-get upgrade -- and I don't know of a bug
report in connection with that. I have not myself seen this
second issue. Apt-get upgrade current offers 4.3 MB of
upgrades, just as Software Updater does.<br>
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On 5/8/2014 12:43 PM, John Hupp wrote:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">OK, I'm in good position to test
whether this is the old bug at work or simply phased updates
working properly. I just ran Software Updater manually and
it identified 683 KB of updates available for the Lubuntu
Base. I did not install the updates, so within 2.5 days I
should be notified that there are updates available.<br>
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On 5/8/2014 8:26 AM, bapoumba wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Ah very very good point :<a
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href="http://people.canonical.com/%7Eubuntu-archive/phased-updates.html">http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/phased-updates.html</a>
<div>the iputils packages are showing up on that page.</div>
<div>Thank you much, I always forget about phase updates..</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 2:05 PM,
Dale Visser <span dir="ltr"><<a
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style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri,sans-serif">You
may just be encountering "phased updates" for
the first time in this version: <a
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href="http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/08/phased-updates-to-start-rolling-out-for-ubuntu-13-04"
target="_blank">http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/08/phased-updates-to-start-rolling-out-for-ubuntu-13-04</a><br>
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It takes 2.5 days for a new phased update to
roll out to all users. Apt-get bypasses the
delays and gets everything that can be updated.<br>
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Sent from my Windows Phone</div>
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5:50 AM</span><br>
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style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri,sans-serif"><a
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href="mailto:lubuntu@prpcompany.com"
target="_blank">John Hupp</a></span><br>
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href="mailto:lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com"
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style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri,sans-serif">Re:
14.04 seems subject to bug 1046563 with
update-manager/notifier</span><br>
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<div>Hello,<br>
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thanks for the email, I was
about to post one.<br>
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First off, I'd like to apologize
for silently joining the list a
few weeks back. So hello, you'll
mainly find me on the forums :)<br>
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I've added a few things to the
forums thread, and linked the bug
report here <a
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href="https://code.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-core-dev/update-manager/main"
target="_blank">
https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/update-manager/main</a><br>
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I've also added "trusty" to the title.<br>
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Now I'm not that familiar with
update-manager (software-updater) and
not sure where to look at to
troubleshoot and add useful information.<br>
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<div>To me, the biggest issue is the
discrepancy between apt-get upgrade and
software updater.<br>
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Would anyone know ?<br>
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Have a good day !<br>
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<div>On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 9:13 PM, John
Hupp <span dir="ltr"> <<a
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href="mailto:lubuntu@prpcompany.com"
target="_blank">lubuntu@prpcompany.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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solid;padding-left:1ex"> I don't find
the issue in the Lubuntu or Ubuntu
14.04 Release Notes, but it seems like
14.04 is subject to <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/1046563"
target="_blank">
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/1046563</a>,
reported for 12.04, in which automatic
updating fails.<br>
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I was noticing that I wasn't being
prompted to install software updates.
I ran Software Updater
(update-manager) manually once and got
a big batch of updates. I ran it
manually again today and it identified
another batch that I could get. It
included updates for Software Updater,
so perhaps that will fix the problem.<br>
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There is a big discussion of the
problem at <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2222325" target="_blank">
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2222325</a>. And beyond the
notification problem, a number of
people report seeing big differences
between the updates identified by
update-manager and Synaptic.<span><font
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Update-manager now identifies 22.9 MB of Security updates: 22.9 MB
for the Lubuntu base and 49.5 MB of Other updates, and
update-notifier has still not prompted to install anything. (I have
not manually installed any updates since 5/8 or before when I
started watching this closely.<br>
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I have been trying to gather documentation for troubleshooting
purposes, but have not had great success.<br>
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Update-notifier is described as a daemon, but I find that it has no
process running. There is also no Upstart job to launch the daemon
in /etc/init. I thought I was on to something at that point, but
then I found this 2012 <a
href="https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-r-reduced-power-ram">blueprint</a>
and this brief <a href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UpdateNotifier">wiki</a>
which imply that update-notifier might normally not be continually
running now, that monitoring might be handled instead by an
"upstart-file-bridge." Is update-notifier continually running for
any of you?<br>
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I suppose my next move may be to find out about
upstart-file-bridges. In any case, I currently don't know enough to
lay out further troubleshooting measures.<br>
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