Display Serious Issue with Lubuntu

Ali Linx ali.linux at amjjawad.net
Sat May 10 11:53:21 UTC 2014

On 05/10/2014 12:08 AM, Aere Greenway wrote:
> Ali, and all:
Hi Aere and everyone,

> I tried running Xubuntu (from a USB stick) on my HP Mini (which I 
> think has an 11-inch wide screen - I didn't actually measure it).

Thanks a lot for your reply and for your tests :)

> As far as I can tell, it behaved the same as Lubuntu.
> The screen resolution on this machine is 1024 x 576, which is lacking 
> in the vertical dimension.

On my Samsung Notebook 11" display, the resolution was: 1024x600 on both 
Xubuntu 14.04 LTS LiveUSB and Lubuntu 14.04 LTS that is installed on 
that machine.
> In booting Xubuntu from the USB stick, when the window appeared giving 
> you the choice to either try Xubuntu (or install Xubuntu), that window 
> was too 'tall' for the screen, and the bottom was cut-off.  It was not 
> resized to fit.

My LiveUSB is made by UNetbootin and the menu wasn't cut-off in my case 
and everything was okay.

> After booting, I checked the system settings, and the display size 
> options were 1024 x 576 (the maximum), or a lesser resolution (which 
> would have cut-off things even more drastically).
> When I ran my application, the bottom portion of the main window was 
> cut-off (the same as with Lubuntu).  My system requirements state that 
> it needs a minimum vertical dimension of 670 pixels, and 576 is not 
> enough for it.

Maybe I didn't run enough application?
Would you please tell me what applications you tested?

> As with Lubuntu, I could hold down the Alt-key, then click (and 
> hold-down) the left track-pad button (anywhere in the window - not 
> just on the title-bar), and drag the window upwards until the lower 
> right corner was exposed.
> Then (as with Lubuntu), I was able to drag the lower-right corner 
> upward and to the left.  This allowed me to reduce the dimensions of 
> the window from its 'preferred' dimensions, to its 'minimum' 
> dimensions, but no farther.

Yes, I can resize that - not sure I explained that? - but not all the 
application allows you to do so. Some applications/tools by default, are 
drawn in a way that none of the edges or borders are cut-off so I can 
read exactly everything without resizing and sometimes with resizing. 
However, some applications/tools don't actually allow you to do that or 
these do but to a certain point where you can't go further and after 
all, it is useless and you still miss the bottom part.
> If my application allowed it to be re-sized smaller than the minimum 
> size, important controls would no longer appear within the window's 
> panels.  That's why there is a minimum size the application can specify.

> There was nothing in Xubuntu that scaled the entire window to fit 
> within the screen.  If there is something you can do to make this 
> happen, please let me know (because I am not aware of it).

What about maximize? not 100% sure what you mean? sorry!

> As far as I can tell, Xubuntu behaves the same as Lubuntu.

Maybe I didn't test enough. For me, they are not the same.

> - Aere

Thank you again :)

Again, I'm asking :) yet no answer :)
Against which package should I report this?
Perhaps this is a general issue with Ubuntu not related to Lubuntu only?!

> On 05/09/2014 10:36 AM, Ali Linx wrote:
>> On 04/28/2014 09:56 PM, Aere Greenway wrote:
>>> On 04/28/2014 10:03 AM, Ali Linx wrote:
>>>> I'm afraid that didn't change the fact the window is huge compared 
>>>> to the size of the display which is really really pain and as I 
>>>> explained, while I can live with, the newcomers I'm converting to 
>>>> GNU/Linux using Lubuntu will not be happy at all.
>>>> Thank you!
>>>> P.S.
>>>> There should be nothing to be pressed by default. Logically, the 
>>>> window should be auto adjusted to the size of the display. I have 
>>>> no idea why Lubuntu can't do that?!
>>> Ali:
>> Hello Aere and everyone :)
>>> Be aware that the application has control over the preferred, 
>>> maximum, and minimum dimensions of the application window.  In 
>>> resizing a window, it will not allow you to re-size it smaller than 
>>> the minimum screen dimensions.
>> I'm not 100% sure yet that you and others understand what I'm talking 
>> about - maybe a screenshot? or that is not needed? :D
>> Thanks a lot, I'm aware of this but the problem is, I just can't see 
>> the bottom of any big window because I can't resize it to the point I 
>> can actually see the whole window.
>>> Often, developers (having fast machines, and large-screen monitors), 
>>> forget to think of users with less-capable machines, and small 
>>> monitors.
>> If that is true and if you want my honest opinion, this would be 
>> seriously bad :D
>> I mean, if they expect to present the best software, they 'should' 
>> think of each and every possible case. To me, it seems they have 
>> totally forgotten about the notebook with 11" inch screen :/
>>> If the application (perhaps from lack of thinking by the developer) 
>>> sets a minimum size which won't fit on a netbook screen, the 
>>> application just can't be used on such a netbook unless they have 
>>> another monitor they can connect it to, that meets the window 
>>> dimension requirements.
>> If this is true, this is really really bad and if Julien does not 
>> share a word in this regards, a side from reporting a bug, I should 
>> stop using Lubuntu when I convert people ... I guess I will use 
>> Xubuntu even though that would be a slower machine (a bit) - I don't 
>> think Xubuntu is so slow anyway, I love it.
>>> I am not aware of an operating system being able to scale an 
>>> application window to fit a screen (though my not being aware of it 
>>> doesn't mean it doesn't exist).
>> My dear friend, this should be a 'basic' and 'default' feature in 
>> each and every system. I'm still stunned that Lubuntu fail to do it :(
>>> An example of this I am familiar with, it that my main application 
>>> window will not fit on the netbook's screen.  The minimum system 
>>> requirements I have, clearly state the screen dimensions required, 
>>> and the netbook's screen doesn't quite conform in the vertical 
>>> dimension.
>>> Yet, I can use that application on the netbook, by using the 
>>> Alt-drag trick, positioning the window so that all of the important 
>>> controls are visible.  On Windows (on that same machine), I can't 
>>> use my application at all, because I can only reposition the window 
>>> by clicking and dragging on the title-bar.
>> With MS Windows, IIRC, each time you change the resolution of the 
>> screen, the applications/windows will be smaller as well. With 
>> Lubuntu, it seems different case.
>> I haven't tested Xubuntu for example on that machine. Not sure if I 
>> have time to do that but I guess I can always run it from the LiveUSB 
>> and test it.
>> @Everyone
>> Any idea against what package should I report this? because it seems 
>> emails are useless and the best way after all is to report a bug ;)
>> Thank you!


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