Display Serious Issue with Lubuntu

[Aere Greenway]

Ali, and all:

I tried running Xubuntu (from a USB stick) on my HP Mini (which I think 
has an 11-inch wide screen - I didn't actually measure it).

As far as I can tell, it behaved the same as Lubuntu.

The screen resolution on this machine is 1024 x 576, which is lacking in 
the vertical dimension.

In booting Xubuntu from the USB stick, when the window appeared giving 
you the choice to either try Xubuntu (or install Xubuntu), that window 
was too 'tall' for the screen, and the bottom was cut-off.  It was not 
resized to fit.

After booting, I checked the system settings, and the display size 
options were 1024 x 576 (the maximum), or a lesser resolution (which 
would have cut-off things even more drastically).

When I ran my application, the bottom portion of the main window was 
cut-off (the same as with Lubuntu).  My system requirements state that 
it needs a minimum vertical dimension of 670 pixels, and 576 is not 
enough for it.

As with Lubuntu, I could hold down the Alt-key, then click (and 
hold-down) the left track-pad button (anywhere in the window - not just 
on the title-bar), and drag the window upwards until the lower right 
corner was exposed.

Then (as with Lubuntu), I was able to drag the lower-right corner upward 
and to the left.  This allowed me to reduce the dimensions of the window 
from its 'preferred' dimensions, to its 'minimum' dimensions, but no 
farther.

If my application allowed it to be re-sized smaller than the minimum 
size, important controls would no longer appear within the window's 
panels.  That's why there is a minimum size the application can specify.

There was nothing in Xubuntu that scaled the entire window to fit within 
the screen.  If there is something you can do to make this happen, 
please let me know (because I am not aware of it).

As far as I can tell, Xubuntu behaves the same as Lubuntu.

- Aere

On 05/09/2014 10:36 AM, Ali Linx wrote:
>
> On 04/28/2014 09:56 PM, Aere Greenway wrote:
>> On 04/28/2014 10:03 AM, Ali Linx wrote:
>>> I'm afraid that didn't change the fact the window is huge compared 
>>> to the size of the display which is really really pain and as I 
>>> explained, while I can live with, the newcomers I'm converting to 
>>> GNU/Linux using Lubuntu will not be happy at all.
>>>
>>> Thank you!
>>>
>>> P.S.
>>> There should be nothing to be pressed by default. Logically, the 
>>> window should be auto adjusted to the size of the display. I have no 
>>> idea why Lubuntu can't do that?!
>> Ali:
>
> Hello Aere and everyone :)
>
>>
>> Be aware that the application has control over the preferred, 
>> maximum, and minimum dimensions of the application window.  In 
>> resizing a window, it will not allow you to re-size it smaller than 
>> the minimum screen dimensions.
>
> I'm not 100% sure yet that you and others understand what I'm talking 
> about - maybe a screenshot? or that is not needed? :D
>
> Thanks a lot, I'm aware of this but the problem is, I just can't see 
> the bottom of any big window because I can't resize it to the point I 
> can actually see the whole window.
>
>>
>> Often, developers (having fast machines, and large-screen monitors), 
>> forget to think of users with less-capable machines, and small monitors.
> If that is true and if you want my honest opinion, this would be 
> seriously bad :D
> I mean, if they expect to present the best software, they 'should' 
> think of each and every possible case. To me, it seems they have 
> totally forgotten about the notebook with 11" inch screen :/
>
>>
>> If the application (perhaps from lack of thinking by the developer) 
>> sets a minimum size which won't fit on a netbook screen, the 
>> application just can't be used on such a netbook unless they have 
>> another monitor they can connect it to, that meets the window 
>> dimension requirements.
>
> If this is true, this is really really bad and if Julien does not 
> share a word in this regards, a side from reporting a bug, I should 
> stop using Lubuntu when I convert people ... I guess I will use 
> Xubuntu even though that would be a slower machine (a bit) - I don't 
> think Xubuntu is so slow anyway, I love it.
>
>>
>> I am not aware of an operating system being able to scale an 
>> application window to fit a screen (though my not being aware of it 
>> doesn't mean it doesn't exist).
>
> My dear friend, this should be a 'basic' and 'default' feature in each 
> and every system. I'm still stunned that Lubuntu fail to do it :(
>>
>> An example of this I am familiar with, it that my main application 
>> window will not fit on the netbook's screen.  The minimum system 
>> requirements I have, clearly state the screen dimensions required, 
>> and the netbook's screen doesn't quite conform in the vertical 
>> dimension.
>>
>> Yet, I can use that application on the netbook, by using the Alt-drag 
>> trick, positioning the window so that all of the important controls 
>> are visible.  On Windows (on that same machine), I can't use my 
>> application at all, because I can only reposition the window by 
>> clicking and dragging on the title-bar.
>>
>
> With MS Windows, IIRC, each time you change the resolution of the 
> screen, the applications/windows will be smaller as well. With 
> Lubuntu, it seems different case.
>
> I haven't tested Xubuntu for example on that machine. Not sure if I 
> have time to do that but I guess I can always run it from the LiveUSB 
> and test it.
>
> @Everyone
> Any idea against what package should I report this? because it seems 
> emails are useless and the best way after all is to report a bug ;)
>
> Thank you!
>


-- 
Sincerely,
Aere