windows not preserved across sessions

Valorie Zimmerman valorie.zimmerman at
Sun Apr 26 18:29:23 UTC 2015

MOn Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 12:19 AM, O. Sinclair <o.sinclair at> wrote:
> On 25/04/2015 20:34, Valorie Zimmerman wrote:
>> On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 2:27 AM, O. Sinclair <o.sinclair at> wrote:
>>> On 25/04/2015 10:48, Nils Kassube wrote:
>>>> O. Sinclair wrote:
>>>>> This and issues like not having different widgets on virtual desktops
>>>>> stops me dead. So I tried Activities instead and the keyboard switch
>>>>> shortcuts do not work, at least in the VM setup I am testing it in.
>>>>> No for me this is a TOO early release by Kubuntu, no matter how
>>>>> "shiny" Plasma 5 may be. I will keep the VM running to see if at a
>>>>> later stage with upgrades it improves enough for me.
>>>> If it was for an LTS release, I would agree that it is too early, but
>>>> for one of the intermediary releases I think it is good to have the
>>>> early version of plasma5. This way there is a chance that issues are
>>>> found and hopefully fixed soon. I think I'll install 15.04 in a VM to
>>>> find out which of my favourite features are missing.
>>> Well, I dont want to sit on 14.04 until 16.04 for a number of reasons
>>> and will follow the move over to Plasma5 of course. But I still think
>>> this is too "bleeding edge" to be made the main desktop environment in a
>>> release. Something along the lines of what was done in 14.10 where you
>>> had both options would have been better.
>>> I run it in a VM, so perhaps if in later maintenance updates it improves
>>> I will upgrade, otherwise I think it will be 15.10 for me
>> My vote was for Plasma 5 for 15.04, because:
>>  *We do not have the people to support both Plasma 4 & 5 packaging and CI.
>>  *We are supporting the LTS for 5 years.
>>  *It is mostly ready for general use.
>> It is fine to complain here, or ask for help here, but also file bugs,
>> please. Filing bugs is one of the most important ways to contribute
>> both in Kubuntu (packaging bugs on Launchpad, via `ubuntu-bug
>> packagename` in the konsole) and in KDE (
>> The developers can't read all the lists, so complaining here doesn't
>> help get things fixed. Filing bugs is important for software
>> improvement.
>> We can always use more folks in the Kubuntu crew to help with triaging
>> bug reports, writing or editing documentation, translations and of
>> course packaging.
>> Thanks!
>> Valorie, one member of your Kubuntu Council
> Dear Valorie, we simply have different "angles". I have one computer and
> I need it for production use. I can not stay on LTS as I need later
> software versions in my job that deals with IT.

> From my angle a release needs to be stable rather than bleeding edge. If
> I wanted bleeding edge I would go Fedora or something. I would have
> voted "hang on to KDE4 until 15.10" if such an option existed.

The reasons such an option wasn't chosen I stated above. We simply do
not have the developers to work on both Plasma 4 and 5 at the same
time. Also, if we rolled out Plasma 5 in 15.10, we'd have less time to
prepare it for the next LTS, 16.04. One cycle is simply not enough for
such a large change.

> Filing bugs is fine and I do, not all the time but now and then. But I
> can't file bugs on "beta" versions as I can not use them in production
> and find little time to sit in a VM and "play around".

Well, that "beta" has been available since 14.10 release and before.
It is no longer a beta; Plasma 5.3 is released in 2 days [1].

> No offence meant to the devs of Plasma5, the same discussion arose when
> KDE4 was introduced. I think Plasma5 should have stayed in "beta" stage
> a bit longer.
> And of course users discuss their problems on a user mailing list?
> Kind regards,
> Sinclair

Naturally; I just wanted to insure that bugs are reported as bugs, not
just as complaints on a user list.




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