Update to the Community

[Leslie Anne Chatterton]

Agreed, we need to get back to discussion of technical issues.
On May 30, 2012 11:07 PM, "Ryan Gauger" <rtgkid at gmail.com> wrote:

> What does all of this have to do with the original email?
>
> On May 30, 2012, at 6:12 PM, "Juan R. de Silva" <juan.r.d.silva at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >> People have different online habits. Those who began their Internet
> >> journey adopted one set of habits, largely informed by the norms of the
> >> then-popular Usenet community. Some of these habits probably had to do
> >> with the limited storage space and narrow bandwidth of the times.
> >
> > While it mostly true that the mentioned habits originated in mentioned
> > "then" realities, it is also true that these habits aimed usability,
> > meaning the time spent on reading and responding in first place. And this
> > is probably the main reason why these habits outlived their original
> > constrains and successfully migrated to new realities.
> >
> > Increased storage space and bandwidth do not mean people are ready to
> > spend their personal time "fishing" for the actual poster's message
> > between all HTML tags.
> >
> >> Naturally, these people
> >> brought their behavior to the Internet when corporate networks and the
> >> Internet converged.
> >
> > It might be very natural for them but it is not necessarily natural for
> > the community they just joined. See for the main reason above.
> >
> > IMHO, when people join a new to them community and look for assistance
> > from its members, it seems to be also natural to respect time and efforts
> > of those who they are expecting to provide such assistance.
> >
> >> Personally, I straddle both worlds. But I don't think it's right to
> >> expect everyone to do that. Kvetching on lists about the "proper" way to
> >> format messages is likely not to result in the desired behavior changes.
> >> In fact, it comes across as elitist and alienating.
> >
> > Well, first of all, it's not quite right to use words like "kvetching".
> > This DOES "comes across as elitist and alienating".
> >
> > If you read my post again you'd see that I just suggested that posting in
> > HTML was actually the best way for "alienating" a significant portion of
> > the community that is capable and would be willing to provide an
> > assistance.
> >
> > And BTW isn't it true that the existent posting etiquette does suggests
> > not HTML formatting as a PROPER one?
> >
> >> If Windows 8 turns out to be the disaster that the prognosticators
> >> appear convinced it will be, a certain percentage of Windows exiles
> >> might find their way to Kubuntu. Some of these might also find their way
> >> to this email list. They will bring with them habits gained from years
> >> of doing things the Windows way. Are these habits in some manner wrong?
> >> No, of course not. They're just different.
> >
> > With you permission, I would strongly disagree with you on this.
> >
> > Consider a simple example. People used to drive along the left hand road
> > side in UK. Some of them comes to another country where cars move along
> > right hand road side. Imagine now he/she would attempt to keep his/her
> > habits...
> >
> > Would it be "just different"? Or would it be wrong?
> >
> > You see, "just different" at times can be just wrong.
> >
> >> We, then, are faced with a
> >> choice: we can either welcome them to the wonderful world that is
> >> community-driven free software, or we can drive them away. Let's not
> >> drive them away.
> >
> > Agree with every single word.
> >
> > But let welcome them by helping to understand how Linux community in
> > large lives and why it is for their own benefit to accept and to adapt to
> > certain "habits" of this community.
> >
> > Yes, we can certainly "welcome" them by not letting them know about
> > existence of a posting etiquette. But wouldn't it be wrong?  Wouldn't it
> > mean alienating them instead?
> >
> > Is it really the best way to welcome newcomers by slowly eroding the
> > community etiquette.
> >
> >
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