Kubuntu/Ubuntu does not remove everything from memory at shutdown

[Steve Morris]

On 11/03/10 15:53, Howard Coles Jr. wrote:
> On Wednesday 10 March 2010 03:48:35 pm Mark Greenwood wrote:
>    
>> Yes that's exactly what I'm suggesting. Those suggesting this is a Windows
>> problem have missed the point and failed to understand the problem. The
>> problem is that Kubuntu does not correctly shut down and clear
>> memory/microcode/ACPI on a warm reboot. If the system has not been
>> properly shut down then it is not the next OS's problem if hardware does
>> not initialise correctly.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>      
> Here's the deal.  The BIOS clears and initializes the hardware to a certain
> point upon boot up, and when the control is handed over to the OS after the
> bootstrap is loaded, it's up to the starting OS to initialize, and load the
> drivers for all detected devices.  Blaming Kubuntu because Windoze doesn't
> load right has got to be the craziest thing I've heard around here in a LONG
> time.
>
> Here's a point you don't get as well:  If you're "warm booting", you're by
> nature NOT clearing all the code in all the adapters at the OS level, you're
> just clearing and writing out the Hard Drive cache, killing all the apps
> running, and kicking off a quick reboot via ACPI.  It's up to the BIOS of the
> box, or the next OS startup at that point to reset all cards and memory.  That
> kind of completely empty RAM and all other add-on cards would be a complete
> cold boot, right?  Warm booting means I don't take the time to completely
> clear and shut down the hardware, I just do a "refresh" boot, hence the name
> "warm".
>
> I've been using Kubuntu for years now, and there have been times when I've had
> to do a cold boot because drivers didn't load successfully, but I've never (on
> many machines) heard of blaming OS3 because OS2 and/or OS1 didn't do their
> shut down right.  I've always blamed the OS that was booting up for not
> loading drivers or initializing cards.  I've also had to do full power off
> reboots because warm boots don't completely empty RAM/microcode, etc on
> different OSes (Linux, NetWare, OS/2, and Windows) so this is nothing new.
> Sometimes to get new microcode/updates to load, or fully update drivers, you
> had to do a full cold power off reboot, I just haven't run into that in a long
> while.
>
>    
This is definitely not a windows issue, it is an issue of Kubuntu not 
shutting down properly like other operating systems do. I am in the 
situation of having to boot into Mandriva and warm booting from there to 
cater for Kubuntus inadequacies.
A further example of this is having to warm boot from Kubuntu back into 
Kubuntu (to recover from crashes of the unstable instance of compiz 
being used in Kubuntu) and having firefox tell me it can't start because 
there is a non-responding instance of firefox already in memory (this is 
left over from firefox being active at the time the warm boot was done 
in Kubuntu).
Hence the issues are clearly Kubuntu not doing thing properly.

regards,
Steve

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