3rd Party Applications

Billie Erin Walsh bilwalsh at swbell.net
Tue Aug 4 00:11:29 UTC 2009


Steven Vollom wrote:
> On Monday 03 August 2009 06:26:13 pm clay weber wrote:
>   
>>
>> Steven, you are using *ALPHA* software and thereby are using a system
>> that *will* be very buggy, in many cases what is buggy will change on a
>> daily basis as you update your system. And the likelihood of being
>> unable to boot or to get to a full desktop is extremely great at this
>> stage. Then on top of your unstable system, you are adding PPA
>> repositories in which you have no way of knowing the quality or
>> stability of the packages found there.
>>
>> I seriously don't think this is a good idea for you right now! You still
>> have problems at times using a stable version of Kubuntu, but you are
>> continually learning, and I think, succeeding. By using a version that
>> is in a constant state of change, you will have to learn many things,
>> and  when something breaks or changes, you will have to learn even more.
>> Then, when Karmic Alpha becomes a Beta, RC and Final, you will probably
>> have to learn some things all over again. And many of the thing you
>> learn along the way may likely become outdated or even cause more
>> problems if used in the future.
>>
>> Please take these thoughts into consideration when you are reinstalling
>> your system.
>>
>>
>> clay
>>     
> Dear Clay,
>
> I have already made those considerations, however, when I use Karmic and find 
> bugs, don't they want them reported.  That is all I am doing.  I made a 
> computer that is not attached in any way to my main computer.  And while the 
> new computer is not functioning, I set up this computer to install Karmic.  It 
> does not contain anything but Karmic Koala.  There are no files to lose or 
> anything to corrupt.  I fully expect to have problems, and lots of them, I am 
> just reporting those problems as they happen so that those that are repetitive 
> will be addressed, and those that are new will be considered.
>
> I have a problem with my main computer that has not been resolved.  I am 
> unwilling to solve that problem by just reinstalling the system.  I always 
> lose some work I do not want to lose in the process, and the problem that 
> happened is such a simple problem, I can not believe no one understands it.  
>
> Nonetheless, I learn absolutely nothing when I reinstall to solve a problem.  
> I am so good at reinstalling that I can do it in the new computer in 14 
> minutes.  That includes updating and configuring email.  The only thing that 
> takes a little time is installing the kubuntu-restricted-extras, and that 
> cannot be rushed.
>
> I, in fact, installed Jaunty in this box before installing the Karmic upgrade.  
> Knowing that I would have a lot of problems with the application, I still 
> chose to do it.  I enjoy working these problems; it forces me to learn more 
> faster.  If I were in the military and allowed, I would like to fire a 
> ballistic missile, then work my way back to a pistol.  I enjoy working over my 
> head.
>
> I am convinced that a knowledgeable and competent computer operator would have 
> the selfsame problems I am having, and also may not be able to fix the problems 
> himself and have to file a bug report for his superiors sake.  Why should I be 
> excluded from the process.
>
> I have been having lots of fun with Karmic.  I wasn't having fun with Jaunty 
> anymore.  When I have a problem with Jaunty, either these problems are too 
> difficult to fix, or they are considered created by my experimentation.  That is 
> not the case, so I am not getting the help I need.  
>
> Off list, I will write the problem with my primary computer.  If you choose to 
> read it, please accept the fact that any assumptions you might consider are 
> probably wrong.  If you accept my explanation as though I know the problem 
> accurately and don't read any prejudgments due to my history, and you know the 
> answer, if you accept that I am telling you the truth, you will be able to fix 
> a problem that has been setting for a long time.   In my judgment is it should 
> be an easy fix for an expert, which I am not.
>
> I don't believe it fair that I be excluded from consideration when I work with 
> applications you all seem to work and enjoy.  If I don't die before it 
> happens, one of these days I will work something no one has ever worked 
> before, because of my unwillingness to be labeled unfit for the current work.  
> Those of you who are waiting for someone to get the work started will be 
> helping me with stuff that is not yet Alpha, and it will become a reality.  I 
> may be stupid right now, but it won't last.  I will learn, and when I know 
> what you know, you may have to move out of my way, because until my heart 
> ticks its last beat, I will be struggling to learn what I don't know, at my 
> chosen pace.  I love you, but I am not so happy having people hold me back 
> from where I want to be.  Maybe my problem is that I am an American; we don't 
> like to be restrained.  Actually we don't like laws much at all.  Every year 
> congress makes new laws; we have so many it is complicated.
>
> GOD made 10 that covered everything.  And if man hadn't tried to determine 
> what he meant when he said the simple words, we all would be happier and free.
>
> I wouldn't put the brakes on a legally labeled idiot.  Just because he isn't 
> like me, doesn't mean he can't make progress, even more than me or you.  
> Listen to a child sometime.  He or she may make a comment that doesn't have 
> the required experience, yet due to the simplicity of the thought may come up 
> with the answer to what you thought was a very difficult problem, and that you 
> over-thought.  They don't have any idea what can't be done.  They still draw 
> pictures with people flying in the air, without wings or a plane.  They did 
> that before planes existed, by the way.  I want and am grateful for your help; 
> I am not willing to get it at the expense of my free choice.  Thanks for the 
> continued help.
>
> Steven
>
>   

Steven, If I might make a suggestion.

If I were you I would concentrate on getting one _VERY_ stable computer 
first. If your newer machine is buggy then make your older one the 
stable machine.  _THEN_ you can use the other one to play around with. 
That way you will always have a system that works well. Just don't mess 
with the stable machine.

-- 
Treat all stressful situations like a dog does.
If you can't eat it or play with it, 
just pee on it and walk away





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