3rd Party Applications
Billie Erin Walsh
bilwalsh at swbell.net
Tue Aug 4 00:11:29 UTC 2009
Steven Vollom wrote:
> On Monday 03 August 2009 06:26:13 pm clay weber wrote:
>
>>
>> Steven, you are using *ALPHA* software and thereby are using a system
>> that *will* be very buggy, in many cases what is buggy will change on a
>> daily basis as you update your system. And the likelihood of being
>> unable to boot or to get to a full desktop is extremely great at this
>> stage. Then on top of your unstable system, you are adding PPA
>> repositories in which you have no way of knowing the quality or
>> stability of the packages found there.
>>
>> I seriously don't think this is a good idea for you right now! You still
>> have problems at times using a stable version of Kubuntu, but you are
>> continually learning, and I think, succeeding. By using a version that
>> is in a constant state of change, you will have to learn many things,
>> and when something breaks or changes, you will have to learn even more.
>> Then, when Karmic Alpha becomes a Beta, RC and Final, you will probably
>> have to learn some things all over again. And many of the thing you
>> learn along the way may likely become outdated or even cause more
>> problems if used in the future.
>>
>> Please take these thoughts into consideration when you are reinstalling
>> your system.
>>
>>
>> clay
>>
> Dear Clay,
>
> I have already made those considerations, however, when I use Karmic and find
> bugs, don't they want them reported. That is all I am doing. I made a
> computer that is not attached in any way to my main computer. And while the
> new computer is not functioning, I set up this computer to install Karmic. It
> does not contain anything but Karmic Koala. There are no files to lose or
> anything to corrupt. I fully expect to have problems, and lots of them, I am
> just reporting those problems as they happen so that those that are repetitive
> will be addressed, and those that are new will be considered.
>
> I have a problem with my main computer that has not been resolved. I am
> unwilling to solve that problem by just reinstalling the system. I always
> lose some work I do not want to lose in the process, and the problem that
> happened is such a simple problem, I can not believe no one understands it.
>
> Nonetheless, I learn absolutely nothing when I reinstall to solve a problem.
> I am so good at reinstalling that I can do it in the new computer in 14
> minutes. That includes updating and configuring email. The only thing that
> takes a little time is installing the kubuntu-restricted-extras, and that
> cannot be rushed.
>
> I, in fact, installed Jaunty in this box before installing the Karmic upgrade.
> Knowing that I would have a lot of problems with the application, I still
> chose to do it. I enjoy working these problems; it forces me to learn more
> faster. If I were in the military and allowed, I would like to fire a
> ballistic missile, then work my way back to a pistol. I enjoy working over my
> head.
>
> I am convinced that a knowledgeable and competent computer operator would have
> the selfsame problems I am having, and also may not be able to fix the problems
> himself and have to file a bug report for his superiors sake. Why should I be
> excluded from the process.
>
> I have been having lots of fun with Karmic. I wasn't having fun with Jaunty
> anymore. When I have a problem with Jaunty, either these problems are too
> difficult to fix, or they are considered created by my experimentation. That is
> not the case, so I am not getting the help I need.
>
> Off list, I will write the problem with my primary computer. If you choose to
> read it, please accept the fact that any assumptions you might consider are
> probably wrong. If you accept my explanation as though I know the problem
> accurately and don't read any prejudgments due to my history, and you know the
> answer, if you accept that I am telling you the truth, you will be able to fix
> a problem that has been setting for a long time. In my judgment is it should
> be an easy fix for an expert, which I am not.
>
> I don't believe it fair that I be excluded from consideration when I work with
> applications you all seem to work and enjoy. If I don't die before it
> happens, one of these days I will work something no one has ever worked
> before, because of my unwillingness to be labeled unfit for the current work.
> Those of you who are waiting for someone to get the work started will be
> helping me with stuff that is not yet Alpha, and it will become a reality. I
> may be stupid right now, but it won't last. I will learn, and when I know
> what you know, you may have to move out of my way, because until my heart
> ticks its last beat, I will be struggling to learn what I don't know, at my
> chosen pace. I love you, but I am not so happy having people hold me back
> from where I want to be. Maybe my problem is that I am an American; we don't
> like to be restrained. Actually we don't like laws much at all. Every year
> congress makes new laws; we have so many it is complicated.
>
> GOD made 10 that covered everything. And if man hadn't tried to determine
> what he meant when he said the simple words, we all would be happier and free.
>
> I wouldn't put the brakes on a legally labeled idiot. Just because he isn't
> like me, doesn't mean he can't make progress, even more than me or you.
> Listen to a child sometime. He or she may make a comment that doesn't have
> the required experience, yet due to the simplicity of the thought may come up
> with the answer to what you thought was a very difficult problem, and that you
> over-thought. They don't have any idea what can't be done. They still draw
> pictures with people flying in the air, without wings or a plane. They did
> that before planes existed, by the way. I want and am grateful for your help;
> I am not willing to get it at the expense of my free choice. Thanks for the
> continued help.
>
> Steven
>
>
Steven, If I might make a suggestion.
If I were you I would concentrate on getting one _VERY_ stable computer
first. If your newer machine is buggy then make your older one the
stable machine. _THEN_ you can use the other one to play around with.
That way you will always have a system that works well. Just don't mess
with the stable machine.
--
Treat all stressful situations like a dog does.
If you can't eat it or play with it,
just pee on it and walk away
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