internet connection on Kubuntu Hardy

[Emanoil Kotsev]

--- On Tue, 10/14/08, Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: internet connection on Kubuntu Hardy
> To: deloptes at yahoo.com, "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" <kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 9:08 AM
> On Monday 13 October 2008 22:47:04 Emanoil Kotsev wrote:
> > --- On Mon, 10/13/08, Thorny
> <thorntreehome at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > From: Thorny <thorntreehome at gmail.com>
> > > Subject: Re: internet connection on Kubuntu Hardy
> > > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> > > Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 4:42 PM
> > >
> > > On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:51:29 +0100, Lisi Reisz
> wrote:
> > > > I have set up a laptop for my granddaughter
> with
> > >
> > > Kubuntu Hardy installed.
> > >
> > > > It is fully updated.
> > > >
> > > > The needs are:
> > > >
> > > > A UK English base for most programs and the
> desktop.
> > >
> > > So a UK English
> > >
> > > > installation.
> > > >
> > > > Japanese input from the keyboard.
> > > >
> > > > Wireless connection using DHCP.
> > > >
> > > > The first two I have, tho' the second
> took a long
> > >
> > > while.
> >
> > Hello, again sharing experience and erading just this
> one mail - I also had
> > a trouble with the network configuration - not quite
> the same like you - 
> > until I found that dbus is triggering the KDE
> networkmanager. I then fixed
> > the scripts in /etc/dbus-1/
> >
> > Someone suggested to leave only the lo interface in
> the
> > /etc/network/interfaces and everything worked but not 
> for me because I
> > have to have the network configured before I log in,
> because my root
> > partition is on nfs.
> >
> > So if you want to use ifconfig and so on there should
> be something in the
> > file telling ifconfig about your interface. In fact
> under debian I had
> > following
> >
> > # The primary network interface
> > auto eth1
> > allow-hotplug eth1
> > iface eth1 inet dhcp
> >
> > and it was working much better than now in terms
> that've been seeing the
> > network configuration under kde ... now I see
> that's connected (after I
> > added hotplug into the dbus files, but don't see
> IP etc.
> >
> > > > The internet connection is proving a
> nightmare.  I can
> > >
> > > find no way of
> > >
> > > > making the settings endure, and no way of
> setting up
> > >
> > > DHCP at all.
> > >
> > > > Both ethernet and the wireless card will
> work for one
> > >
> > > session, and one
> > >
> > > > session only, if I put static settings in,
> but
> > >
> > > although I am told that the
> > >
> > > > settings have been saved, they clearly have
> not.
> > > >
> > > > I have tried installing and uninstalling
> > >
> > > knetworkmanager.  It seems to
> > >
> > > > make not a blind bit of difference.
> > > >
> > > > While it was uninstalled I tried editing
> > >
> > > /etc/network/interfaces but
> > >
> > > > Kubuntu seems just to ignore it.  I have
> reinstalled
> > >
> > > knetworkmanager
> > >
> > > > (which seems to be only an applet anyway,
> that links
> > >
> > > to the network
> > >
> > > > settings in the control panel), renamed
> > >
> > > /etc/network/interfaces and left
> > >
> > > > the network manager to reinstate it.  Still
> the
> > >
> > > settings do not endure
> > >
> > > > past a restart and still DHCP simply
> doesn't work.
> > > >
> > > > Can anyone offer any advice?  Or recommend
> another
> > >
> > > distro that would
> > >
> > > > fulfill the criteria?  She needs this laptop
> and I
> > >
> > > have been trying to get
> > >
> > > > it going and fulfilling the criteria since
> the middle
> > >
> > > of August.  She is
> > >
> > > > beginning, with some justification, to ask
> why I
> > >
> > > don't just use Windows.
> > >
> > > > TIA
> > > > Lisi
> > >
> > > I have no experience with networkmanager but I
> have seen it
> > > written
> > > several places as "network mangler" by
> people who
> > > have had frustrations
> > > with it.
> > >
> > > To make sure you are really back to a place where
> manual
> > > config could work
> > > perhaps it is necessary to go lower level than
> the K
> > > frontend. You could
> > > try purging networkmanager, it's the deamon
> that tries
> > > to keep a
> > > connection always up and which has caused lots of
> people
> > > difficulties,
> > > since Debian Etch if I remember correctly.
> >
> > Did you work on Etch - I spent years, and should
> disagree with you.
> >
> > > With it purged, you should be able to manually
> configure
> > > your ethernet
> > > interface in /etc/network/interfaces with auto;
> inet; dhcp
> > > and when you
> > > restart networking it should ask the router's
> DHCP
> > > server for an IP
> > > address. ...or at a terminal (with sudo if
> appropriate on
> > > your system)
> > > ifconfig (interface) down followed by ifconfig
> (interface)
> > > up. That should
> > > read the manual configuration ...or, at least,
> drop some
> > > error message.
> >
> > I would recommend following
> >
> > 1) do you want network be configured before you login
> or not, by what you
> > are saying I conclude you don't care, so remove
> everyhting from
> > /etc/network/interfaces except your lo device config
> >
> > cat /etc/network/interfaces
> > auto lo
> > iface lo inet loopback
> > address 127.0.0.1
> > netmask 255.0.0.0
> >
> >
> > 2) there is a problem with the dbus config I suppose
> but try restarting
> > dbus instead networiking (configure the interface over
> the kontrol center
> > to use dhcp)
> >
> > sudo /etc/init.d/dbus restart
> 
> restarted.  No mention oif network when telling me both
> what it was shutting 
> down and what what it was opening up.
> >
> > or just the network part
> >
> > sudo /etc/dbus-1/event.d/25NetworkManager restart
> 
> bash: /etc/dbus-1/event.d/25NetworkManager: No such file or
> directory
> 
> > 3) If 2 does not work check that you are member of the
> netdev and/or
> > plugdev group - I would bet it's your problem
> 
> already in plugdev.  Added to netdev.  Same result.
> 
> > 4) let us know if it helped
> 
> See above. :-(
> 
> I had finally successfully purged network-manager and
> network-manager-kde.  
> Now I can't get on line to reinstall them.  Not by any
> means.  And they 
> aren't on the install CD I used, anyhow according to
> apt.
> 
> Now  I'm really in a mess.  I would reinstall teh whole
> thing from scratch, 
> but that would scrap the Japanese and I still wouldn't
> be online.
> 
> > I've fixed this by writing and reading few
> postings and experimenting for a
> > while
> >
> > - wireless works
> > - network works
> >
> > regards
> >
> >
> > PS.: this is another argument why developers should
> focus on making kubuntu
> > more stable and user friendly and not look much nicer
> ... but as I said I
> > don't want to discuss this topic over again

apologize - seems that I'm pretty good in fixing things but not writing solutions for others. I hsould reconsider this in future.

regards