Beta 8.10 released

[O. Sinclair]

Brendan wrote:
> On Saturday 04 October 2008, O. Sinclair wrote:
> 
>  > I will very likely stay with KDE3 until I consider KDE4 ready for
> 
>  > production computers, said to be around KDE 4.2. However, Kubuntu 8.04
> 
> No offense intended, but who cares what you consider ready for 
> production computers? You sound a bit like the guy who's never happy 
> anyway. Isn't a NON-LTS supposed to be a bit edgier than LTS releases? 
There were some assumptions made I must say... I got the quote from 
somewhere that KDE 4.2 will be "mainstream" whatever one reads into that 
statement.

> My entire office is running 4.1.2 as of yesterday, and secretaries, as 
> well as the boss, all love it. Seems production ready to us, and as 
> such, we are using it. Yes, there are bugs, but I, being able to type on 
> the keyboard, have filed the bugs on bugs.kde.org. There's even a little 
> menu item under "Help". How frickin' easy is that? The developers are 
> even nice, even with a bit of bitching at them.
good for you and the others but I will not push this on users that still 
are very much stuck in the Windows world. Nothing is bug-free but I 
don't feel that KDE4 is ready for novice users yet.

> 
> If you don't like 4, stick with 3, it's in the repos.
I will... but I also want a number of other improvements said to be in 
8.10 such as 3G-modem support, ppoe-support etc. And I am not sure as 
yet if I can upgrade to 8.10 but still stay with KDE3, it is unclear to me.

4 is ready, and to
> make sure it is, I have already filed over 30 bugs in the past few 
> weeks. Some have already gotten addressed, and some are being triaged. 
> Why not help instead of complaining? Yes, I know, you want something 
> that just works, blah blah, but I want my hair back. Horses, beggars, etc.
If you and others file 30 bugs in a week (and I guess you are not the 
only one) then I am even more certain that is not yet ready for the 
users I support. I think it is great that you, I and others can help 
out, yes I file bugs too when I think it is needed, but I would not want 
less computer-savvy users involved at this stage.

I test KDE4 on a daily basis running it in VBox - and that is where I 
intend to keep it for now.

As for your hair or mine I find it completely uninteresting and your 
opinions of who I might be is not only uninteresting to me but for the 
rest of the list as well.

Sinclair