Drop PIM from the iso (default install)

[Aaron Honeycutt]

If we just want to provide a basic email we can look at Trojita maybe? Clay
does bring an interesting point about that we're not Neon and should not
always aim for it. At least on what we provide to our users anyway.

We're more of a install and done distro, so our users can get work done.
Now if it has a super easy way to install the PIM stuff like with QML and
apt under it?

On Sep 15, 2017 5:20 PM, "Clay Weber" <clay at claydoh.com> wrote:

> I'll vote in favor of KDEPIM
>
> Some Devil's advocate points that do not necessarily indicate my opinions
> on this topicg
>
> 1) An increase in resource usage, sure. But "hog" is open to
> interpretation. Just how much time are we saving during login? Is this
> still a thing? Don't we all just close our laptop lids and move on, and
> seldom reboot our PCs?
>
> 2) How are we determining this?
>
> 3) and 4) how much is saved, and is this overhead really an issue?
>
> 5) Kubuntu is not Neon. Neon showcases Plasma Desktop. Kubuntu is a well
> rounded easy to use distro that has extra software from the base Plasma
> provides.
> Note that "easy to use" is not the same thing as "newbie distro".
>
> 6) We could use  this reasoning  to remove a music player, irc client,
> office suite, and anything else and have nothing to differentiate us from
> KDE Neon.
>
> Also, as part of the Ubuntu family, shouldn't we have similar features or
> at least similar sets of installed software? What are our brethren using?
>
> Are there alternatives? How does just Kmail and the address book do,
> resource-wise?
>
> Lastly would this be a big slap in the face to the KDEPIM and greater KDE
> community?
>
> Just some random thoughts.
>
>
>
> Sent from my phone as I am at work for a while still.
>
>
>
> Clay Weber
>
> ------ Original message------
> *From: *Clive Johnston
> *Date: *Fri, Sep 15, 2017 8:52 AM
> *To: *Kubuntu Developer Discussion;kubuntu-council at lists.launchpad.net;
> *Cc: *
> *Subject:*Drop PIM from the iso (default install)
>
> I know this is not going to be a popular subject for some, but I feel it
> does need debated.  I would like to propose dropping PIM (all of it) from
> the iso (Kubuntu install medium)
>
> Here are my reasons for doing so:
>
> 1) PIM is a system resource hog - It starts services in the background
> which lead to longer waiting times to actually boot into your desktop.  We
> tried to disable a lot of these services from auto-starting in Zesty and
> found that our default install footprint (memory and speed getting to
> desktop) was greatly reduced.
>
> 2) Majority of people don't actually use it - I am definitely in the
> minority of Kubuntu users who actu ally do use PIM features, and I love
> it.  However, most users do not use it but are having it installed by
> default.  This means that they will then have to keep it updated, unless
> they physically remove it.
>
> 3) iso size - PIM is a bit of a beast and is quite big size wise (when you
> consider all the dependencies).  Dropping it off the iso would make the
> total iso size smaller and will also make installation a bit quicker as
> hundreds of extra packages won't have to be installed.
>
> 4) Upgrade overhead - Every-time a Kubuntu user does an upgrade, PIM will
> need to be upgraded too.  For those on slower internet connections (like
> myself) this can be slow and frustrating.  This is even more annoying if
> you don't even use the PIM suite!
>
> 5) KDE neon don't install it by default - The official KDE distribution
> don't install it by def ault.  Probably due to the resource hogging as
> described above.
>
> 6) Any part of the suite can easily be installed via Discover, Muon or
> Konsole by those who actually do want it.  In my opinion opting in is more
> in line with Freedoms of open source software rather than opting out (just
> personal opinion).
>
> I'm interested in other opinions and a debate on the issue, so please
> reply to this thread.
>
> Clive
>
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