kf5 5.7 utopic backports saga

[Valorie Zimmerman]

On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 12:34 AM, Harald Sitter <sitter at kde.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 9:30 AM, Valorie Zimmerman
> <valorie.zimmerman at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 12:21 AM, Harald Sitter <sitter at kde.org> wrote:
>>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Valorie Zimmerman
>>> <valorie.zimmerman at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 11:41 PM, Harald Sitter <sitter at kde.org> wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 1:47 AM, Jonathan Riddell <jr at jriddell.org> wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 02, 2015 at 12:13:37AM -0800, Valorie Zimmerman wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 4:17 AM, Jonathan Riddell <jr at jriddell.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> > writing the status here before we forget it..
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > scarlett kindy did the backports of kf5 into utopic using the kubuntu-ninjas
>>>>>>> > PPA (after some faff failing to get the kubuntu-next/staging ppa to accept
>>>>>>> > them)
>>>>>>> > they were copied to kubuntu-ppa/next but then we had reports of them causing
>>>>>>> > failed upgrades so they were deleted
>>>>>>> > I tidied up the backport of kglobalaccel which was breaking the upgrades
>>>>>>> > Now when I try to copy them over to kubuntu-ppa/next it complains there is
>>>>>>> > already that version of the package in kubuntu-ppa/next even though there is
>>>>>>> > not
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > if someone has the energy for it they can bump the version numbers in the
>>>>>>> > packages in kubuntu-ninjas and get them all to compile again them copy them
>>>>>>> > to kubuntu-ppa/next.  But i'm mostly out of energy for it :(
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Jonathan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are we actually supporting next and next-backports for 14.10? My
>>>>>>> broken system makes it appear that we are not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I suggest that we remove the notice about those in the KDE wiki, and
>>>>>>> suggest people either use one of the ISOs for 14.10 or install Beta 1
>>>>>>> Vivid.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've never had an upgrade leave me unable to login to KDE before. Not
>>>>>>> a good experience. I know that the next and next-backports are testing
>>>>>>> material, so I was fairly warned. But we've run out of time to support
>>>>>>> them, so let's cut our losses and put our energy into Vivid.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This sounds like a realistic idea to me.  We don't seem to have the
>>>>>> energy needed for a kf5 backport, we've said there won't be an upgrade
>>>>>> root for 14.10 plasma5 to 15.04, so we'd be perfectly ok it's just a
>>>>>> tech preview and it won't get any better.
>>>>>
>>>>> how does one prevent the user from upgrading if they have next packages?
>>>>>
>>>>> HS
>>>>
>>>> The user will be unable to upgrade, if my experience is at all common.
>>>> If there are no updates, they won't be tempted to, right?
>>>
>>> They will be able to upgrade to 15.04. It just will break their system.
>>>
>>>> We warned next users long ago that upgrade to 15.04 would not be
>>>> supported.
>>>
>>> That's my point. We didn't. We warned people who read our web
>>> resources (website, wiki wherever we put that information). If a user
>>> got information on installing plasma5 from a third party they will
>>> most certainly not have gotten this warning (in part because we
>>> weren't pushing it a lot). In fact even if they used our board tools
>>> (add-apt-repository) to add the PPA they would not have been informed
>>> of the support status of the PPA as the description says nothing about
>>> support [1].
>>> So all those users know is that they re running plasma5. At some point
>>> they'll be prompted to upgrade to 15.04 and then things will go boom
>>> and the users will get pissed off and complain somewhere about the
>>> shitty upgrade and then whoever they complained to will get pissed off
>>> because 3 million people all complain about the same thing and then we
>>> will get pissed off for having blown up innocent systems.
>>>
>>>> What I'm advocating is no more upgrades in next or next
>>>> backports in 14.10 either.
>>>
>>> Less work is always fine with me ;)
>>>
>>> [1] https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/next
>>
>> Perhaps we need to start spreading the word in various places. Any
>> suggestions about what to say, and where, and how often?
>
> What I think is that the upgrader probably should go "can't upgrade,
> your setup is not supported" and then either point to a webpage that
> explains how to best go about solving this without a reinstall, or
> perhaps better yet have the installer ppa-purge next and
> next-backports and then upgrade.

PPA-purge was the first thing I did, but that did not leave my
computer bootable. Perhaps it works, though, if the KDE login hasn't
already been corrupted, or whatever-it-was that happened.

If we *test this* I'm all for it.

Valorie