kf5 5.7 utopic backports saga

[Valorie Zimmerman]

On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 12:21 AM, Harald Sitter <sitter at kde.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Valorie Zimmerman
> <valorie.zimmerman at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 11:41 PM, Harald Sitter <sitter at kde.org> wrote:
>>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 1:47 AM, Jonathan Riddell <jr at jriddell.org> wrote:
>>>> On Mon, Mar 02, 2015 at 12:13:37AM -0800, Valorie Zimmerman wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 4:17 AM, Jonathan Riddell <jr at jriddell.org> wrote:
>>>>> > writing the status here before we forget it..
>>>>> >
>>>>> > scarlett kindy did the backports of kf5 into utopic using the kubuntu-ninjas
>>>>> > PPA (after some faff failing to get the kubuntu-next/staging ppa to accept
>>>>> > them)
>>>>> > they were copied to kubuntu-ppa/next but then we had reports of them causing
>>>>> > failed upgrades so they were deleted
>>>>> > I tidied up the backport of kglobalaccel which was breaking the upgrades
>>>>> > Now when I try to copy them over to kubuntu-ppa/next it complains there is
>>>>> > already that version of the package in kubuntu-ppa/next even though there is
>>>>> > not
>>>>> >
>>>>> > if someone has the energy for it they can bump the version numbers in the
>>>>> > packages in kubuntu-ninjas and get them all to compile again them copy them
>>>>> > to kubuntu-ppa/next.  But i'm mostly out of energy for it :(
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Jonathan
>>>>>
>>>>> Are we actually supporting next and next-backports for 14.10? My
>>>>> broken system makes it appear that we are not.
>>>>>
>>>>> I suggest that we remove the notice about those in the KDE wiki, and
>>>>> suggest people either use one of the ISOs for 14.10 or install Beta 1
>>>>> Vivid.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've never had an upgrade leave me unable to login to KDE before. Not
>>>>> a good experience. I know that the next and next-backports are testing
>>>>> material, so I was fairly warned. But we've run out of time to support
>>>>> them, so let's cut our losses and put our energy into Vivid.
>>>>
>>>> This sounds like a realistic idea to me.  We don't seem to have the
>>>> energy needed for a kf5 backport, we've said there won't be an upgrade
>>>> root for 14.10 plasma5 to 15.04, so we'd be perfectly ok it's just a
>>>> tech preview and it won't get any better.
>>>
>>> how does one prevent the user from upgrading if they have next packages?
>>>
>>> HS
>>
>> The user will be unable to upgrade, if my experience is at all common.
>> If there are no updates, they won't be tempted to, right?
>
> They will be able to upgrade to 15.04. It just will break their system.
>
>> We warned next users long ago that upgrade to 15.04 would not be
>> supported.
>
> That's my point. We didn't. We warned people who read our web
> resources (website, wiki wherever we put that information). If a user
> got information on installing plasma5 from a third party they will
> most certainly not have gotten this warning (in part because we
> weren't pushing it a lot). In fact even if they used our board tools
> (add-apt-repository) to add the PPA they would not have been informed
> of the support status of the PPA as the description says nothing about
> support [1].
> So all those users know is that they re running plasma5. At some point
> they'll be prompted to upgrade to 15.04 and then things will go boom
> and the users will get pissed off and complain somewhere about the
> shitty upgrade and then whoever they complained to will get pissed off
> because 3 million people all complain about the same thing and then we
> will get pissed off for having blown up innocent systems.
>
>> What I'm advocating is no more upgrades in next or next
>> backports in 14.10 either.
>
> Less work is always fine with me ;)
>
> [1] https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/next

Perhaps we need to start spreading the word in various places. Any
suggestions about what to say, and where, and how often?

Valorie