kf5 5.7 utopic backports saga

[Harald Sitter]

On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Valorie Zimmerman
<valorie.zimmerman at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 11:41 PM, Harald Sitter <sitter at kde.org> wrote:
>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 1:47 AM, Jonathan Riddell <jr at jriddell.org> wrote:
>>> On Mon, Mar 02, 2015 at 12:13:37AM -0800, Valorie Zimmerman wrote:
>>>> On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 4:17 AM, Jonathan Riddell <jr at jriddell.org> wrote:
>>>> > writing the status here before we forget it..
>>>> >
>>>> > scarlett kindy did the backports of kf5 into utopic using the kubuntu-ninjas
>>>> > PPA (after some faff failing to get the kubuntu-next/staging ppa to accept
>>>> > them)
>>>> > they were copied to kubuntu-ppa/next but then we had reports of them causing
>>>> > failed upgrades so they were deleted
>>>> > I tidied up the backport of kglobalaccel which was breaking the upgrades
>>>> > Now when I try to copy them over to kubuntu-ppa/next it complains there is
>>>> > already that version of the package in kubuntu-ppa/next even though there is
>>>> > not
>>>> >
>>>> > if someone has the energy for it they can bump the version numbers in the
>>>> > packages in kubuntu-ninjas and get them all to compile again them copy them
>>>> > to kubuntu-ppa/next.  But i'm mostly out of energy for it :(
>>>> >
>>>> > Jonathan
>>>>
>>>> Are we actually supporting next and next-backports for 14.10? My
>>>> broken system makes it appear that we are not.
>>>>
>>>> I suggest that we remove the notice about those in the KDE wiki, and
>>>> suggest people either use one of the ISOs for 14.10 or install Beta 1
>>>> Vivid.
>>>>
>>>> I've never had an upgrade leave me unable to login to KDE before. Not
>>>> a good experience. I know that the next and next-backports are testing
>>>> material, so I was fairly warned. But we've run out of time to support
>>>> them, so let's cut our losses and put our energy into Vivid.
>>>
>>> This sounds like a realistic idea to me.  We don't seem to have the
>>> energy needed for a kf5 backport, we've said there won't be an upgrade
>>> root for 14.10 plasma5 to 15.04, so we'd be perfectly ok it's just a
>>> tech preview and it won't get any better.
>>
>> how does one prevent the user from upgrading if they have next packages?
>>
>> HS
>
> The user will be unable to upgrade, if my experience is at all common.
> If there are no updates, they won't be tempted to, right?

They will be able to upgrade to 15.04. It just will break their system.

> We warned next users long ago that upgrade to 15.04 would not be
> supported.

That's my point. We didn't. We warned people who read our web
resources (website, wiki wherever we put that information). If a user
got information on installing plasma5 from a third party they will
most certainly not have gotten this warning (in part because we
weren't pushing it a lot). In fact even if they used our board tools
(add-apt-repository) to add the PPA they would not have been informed
of the support status of the PPA as the description says nothing about
support [1].
So all those users know is that they re running plasma5. At some point
they'll be prompted to upgrade to 15.04 and then things will go boom
and the users will get pissed off and complain somewhere about the
shitty upgrade and then whoever they complained to will get pissed off
because 3 million people all complain about the same thing and then we
will get pissed off for having blown up innocent systems.

> What I'm advocating is no more upgrades in next or next
> backports in 14.10 either.

Less work is always fine with me ;)

[1] https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/next