kf5 5.7 utopic backports saga

[Valorie Zimmerman]

On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 11:41 PM, Harald Sitter <sitter at kde.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 1:47 AM, Jonathan Riddell <jr at jriddell.org> wrote:
>> On Mon, Mar 02, 2015 at 12:13:37AM -0800, Valorie Zimmerman wrote:
>>> On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 4:17 AM, Jonathan Riddell <jr at jriddell.org> wrote:
>>> > writing the status here before we forget it..
>>> >
>>> > scarlett kindy did the backports of kf5 into utopic using the kubuntu-ninjas
>>> > PPA (after some faff failing to get the kubuntu-next/staging ppa to accept
>>> > them)
>>> > they were copied to kubuntu-ppa/next but then we had reports of them causing
>>> > failed upgrades so they were deleted
>>> > I tidied up the backport of kglobalaccel which was breaking the upgrades
>>> > Now when I try to copy them over to kubuntu-ppa/next it complains there is
>>> > already that version of the package in kubuntu-ppa/next even though there is
>>> > not
>>> >
>>> > if someone has the energy for it they can bump the version numbers in the
>>> > packages in kubuntu-ninjas and get them all to compile again them copy them
>>> > to kubuntu-ppa/next.  But i'm mostly out of energy for it :(
>>> >
>>> > Jonathan
>>>
>>> Are we actually supporting next and next-backports for 14.10? My
>>> broken system makes it appear that we are not.
>>>
>>> I suggest that we remove the notice about those in the KDE wiki, and
>>> suggest people either use one of the ISOs for 14.10 or install Beta 1
>>> Vivid.
>>>
>>> I've never had an upgrade leave me unable to login to KDE before. Not
>>> a good experience. I know that the next and next-backports are testing
>>> material, so I was fairly warned. But we've run out of time to support
>>> them, so let's cut our losses and put our energy into Vivid.
>>
>> This sounds like a realistic idea to me.  We don't seem to have the
>> energy needed for a kf5 backport, we've said there won't be an upgrade
>> root for 14.10 plasma5 to 15.04, so we'd be perfectly ok it's just a
>> tech preview and it won't get any better.
>
> how does one prevent the user from upgrading if they have next packages?
>
> HS

The user will be unable to upgrade, if my experience is at all common.
If there are no updates, they won't be tempted to, right?

We warned next users long ago that upgrade to 15.04 would not be
supported. What I'm advocating is no more upgrades in next or next
backports in 14.10 either.

Valorie