Upgrading from 14.04 to 14.10 Plasma 5 difficulties

Sun Nov 16 00:43:41 UTC 2014

On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 3:35 PM, Scarlett Clark <sgclark at kubuntu.org> wrote:
> On Saturday, November 15, 2014 03:10:10 PM Valorie Zimmerman wrote:
>> On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Scarlett Clark <sgclark at kubuntu.org>
> wrote:
>> > On Saturday, November 15, 2014 11:42:20 AM Clay Weber wrote:
>> >> On Saturday, November 15, 2014 02:32:05 AM Valorie Zimmerman
> wrote:
>> >> > Hello, I helped a user through the painful process of upgrading in
>> >> > #kubuntu last night. He encountered the same issues I did:
>> >> >
>> >> > 1. wireless stopped working
>> >> >
>> >> > 2. blank or unresponsive screen
>> >> >
>> >> > I held his hand while he repeated the suggested steps to upgrading in
>> >> > the console one more time, plus had him remove lightdm. I asked him
> to
>> >> > look in his bash history to check that he indeed *had* done all the
>> >> > steps correctly the first time, but never got a reply to that
>> >> > question. So perhaps he made a typo at some point, or did things out
>> >> > of order.
>> >> >
>> >> > That said, why is wireless still getting stopped in the /next ppa? And
>> >> > why is lightdm still not being removed when SDDM is chosen?
>> >> >
>> >> > We have people who held off a few weeks for things to settle down,
>> >> > which is prudent. But IMO things have NOT improved, and we owe
> them
>> >> > better. It makes it difficult for people to test Plasma 5 if they
>> >> > can't successfully install it with the tools we give them.
>> >> >
>> >> > Note: http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu says:
>> >> >
>> >> > Install from Kubuntu 14.10 with Plasma 4
>> >> >
>> >> > If you are running Kubuntu 14.10 with Plasma 4 you can install Plasma
>> >> > 5 packages with these commands. This will replace your Plasma 4
>> >> > desktop and much of the software. No upgrade will be supported and
> you
>> >> > may have to reinstall to revert back to Plasma 4.
>> >> >
>> >> > sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/next
>> >> > sudo apt update
>> >> > sudo apt install kubuntu-plasma5-desktop  [it will ask if you want to
>> >> > set use the new SDDM as login manager]
>> >> > sudo apt full-upgrade
>> >> > sudo reboot [save any work first]
>> >>
>> >> Oddly, when running apt-update, it displays this :
>> >>
>> >> Reading state information... Done
>> >> 22 packages can be upgraded. Run 'apt list --upgradable' to see them.
>> >>
>> >> Doing the suggested command outputs this:
>> >> gus at gus-HP-Compaq-6000-Pro-SFF-PC:~$ apt list --upgradable
>> >> Listing... Done
>> >> about-distro/utopic 1.50+git20140731.1 amd64 [upgradable from:
>> >> 1.0.1-0ubuntu1] gstreamer-qapt/utopic
> 2.2.0+qt5+20140826-0ubuntu1
>> >
>> > amd64
>> >
>> >> [upgradable from: 2.2.0-0ubuntu2]
>> >> gstreamer0.10-qapt/utopic 2.2.0+qt5+20140826-0ubuntu1 all
>> >
>> > [upgradable from:
>> >> 2.2.0-0ubuntu2]
>> >> kde-config-gtk-style/utopic 3:2.9.90-0ubuntu0~ppa2 amd64
> [upgradable
>> >
>> > from:
>> >> 3:2.2.1-1fakesync1]
>> >> kde-config-whoopsie/utopic 14.10ubuntu0+git20140731.1 amd64
>> >
>> > [upgradable
>> >
>> >> from: 14.04ubuntu2]
>> >> kinfocenter/utopic 4:5.1.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa1 amd64
>> >
>> > [upgradable from:
>> >> 4:4.11.12-0ubuntu1.1]
>> >> kmenuedit/utopic 4:5.1.1-0ubuntu2~ubuntu14.10~ppa1 amd64
>> >
>> > [upgradable from:
>> >> 4:4.11.12-0ubuntu1.1]
>> >> kscreen/utopic 2.0.0~git20140827-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa1
> amd64
>> >
>> > [upgradable
>> >
>> >> from: 1.0.2.1-0ubuntu1]
>> >> ksysguard/utopic 4:5.1.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa1 amd64
>> >
>> > [upgradable from:
>> >> 4:4.11.12-0ubuntu1.1]
>> >> ksysguardd/utopic 4:5.1.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa1 amd64
>> >
>> > [upgradable from:
>> >> 4:4.11.12-0ubuntu1.1]
>> >> kubuntu-debug-installer/utopic
> 14.10ubuntu1+qt5+101~ubuntu14.10.1
>> >
>> > amd64
>> >
>> >> [upgradable from: 13.10ubuntu1]
>> >> kubuntu-driver-manager/utopic 14.10ubuntu1+qt5.1 amd64
> [upgradable
>> >
>> > from:
>> >> 14.04ubuntu10]
>> >> libqapt2-runtime/utopic 2.2.0+qt5+20140826-0ubuntu1 amd64
>> >
>> > [upgradable from:
>> >> 2.2.0-0ubuntu2]
>> >> plasma-dataengines-addons/utopic
>> >
>> > 4:5.1.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa1 amd64
>> >
>> >> [upgradable from: 4:4.14.2-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa2]
>> >> plasma-desktop/utopic 4:5.1.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa1 amd64
>> >
>> > [upgradable
>> >
>> >> from: 4:4.11.12-0ubuntu1.1]
>> >> plasma-nm/utopic 4:5.1.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa1 amd64
>> >
>> > [upgradable from:
>> >> 0.9.3.4-1]
>> >> plasma-widget-kimpanel/utopic
> 4:5.1.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa1
>> >
>> > amd64
>> >
>> >> [upgradable from: 4:4.14.2-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa2]
>> >> plasma-widgets-addons/utopic 4:5.1.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa1
>> >
>> > amd64
>> >
>> >> [upgradable from: 4:4.14.2-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa2]
>> >> qapt-batch/utopic 2.2.0+qt5+20140826-0ubuntu1 amd64
> [upgradable
>> >
>> > from:
>> >> 2.2.0-0ubuntu2]
>> >> qapt-deb-installer/utopic 2.2.0+qt5+20140826-0ubuntu1 amd64
>> >
>> > [upgradable
>> >
>> >> from: 2.2.0-0ubuntu2]
>> >> systemsettings/utopic 4:5.1.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa1 amd64
>> >
>> > [upgradable
>> >
>> >> from: 4:4.11.12-0ubuntu1.1]
>> >> ttf-oxygen-font-family/utopic 4:5.1.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa1
>> >
>> > amd64
>> >
>> >> [upgradable from: 0.4~git20140212-0ubuntu1]
>> >>
>> >> It looks like some plasma-next ppa packages are marked as
> upgradeable
>> >
>> > before
>> >
>> >> we actually try to install plasma5? These include plasma-nm and
>> >> plasma-desktop
>> >>
>> >> Note that if we do not do a full-upgrade *before* installing
>> >> kubuntu-plasma5- desktop, these packages are not installed.:
>> >>
>> >> 0 upgraded, 184 newly installed, 9 to remove and 22 not upgraded
>> >>
>> >> Is this what is causing
>> >> plasma-nm to "disappear"? Should the instructions have us do a full-
>> >
>> > upgrade
>> >
>> >> *before*
>> >> installing plasma5? Or would plasma-nm stop working in either case?
>> >>
>> >> > He correctly did these steps, but only after getting his wireless to
>> >> > work with a cli application, and after `apt remove lightdm`
>> >> >
>> >> > Valorie
>> >
>> > Ummm, wut? Upgrading 14.04 directly to 14.10 plasma5 is not possible
> as
>> > 14.04 does not have plasma5. So what needs to happen here is a
> complete
>> > upgrade 14.04 plasma4 -> 14.10 Plasma4 then when everything is
> stable
>> > and happy, aka apt is done and clean everything tested ... network etc.
>> > THEN you can go through the steps to upgrade to plasma5 as instructed
> on
>> > the wiki....
>> > Scarlett
>>
>> Right, the user had already done the upgrade to 14.10. Perhaps I
>> should have spent more time making sure that was a happy upgrade, but
>> he had already gone partly through the steps to switch to Plasma 5.
>> When he finally was able to do the full-upgrade step, there were only
>> a few packages. So I'm relatively sure he had fully upgraded first. I
>> certainly did so, and used 14.10 for a few hours before doing the
>> upgrade to Plasma 5.
>>
>> And I had to uninstall both lightdm *and* kdm to get things running.
>> As well as running nmcli to get any networking at all, including
>> wired. I got it going, but am dismayed that it is not any smoother now
>> than it was on day zero.
>>
>> Valorie
>
> Well trusty -> utopic -> plasma5 is a special usecase as several things
> changed between trusty and utopic and even moreso with plasma5. I honestly
> have not done this myself, so perhaps a WARNING on the wiki stating this
> usecase is known to cause problems and it is advised to do a fresh install. At
> least until someone can sit down and come up with a better plan.
> Scarlett

The networking issue was the upgrade from 14.04 > 14.10. I feel that
we should *always* provide an upgrade path. I agree that the P5 step
is a special case. Still, we *must* figure out how to make the switch
from Lightdm to SDDM go smoothly at some point. Some people always do
a clean install, and some always upgrade. Most of us pick and choose.

I wanted to test the upgrade and report my experiences.

Valorie
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