Upgrading from 14.04 to 14.10 Plasma 5 difficulties

James Cain james.cain.25 at gmail.com
Sat Nov 15 23:53:19 UTC 2014


^ +1 as it's clear there are issues. I will try later in a VM and see how
it goes.

On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 6:35 PM, Scarlett Clark <sgclark at kubuntu.org> wrote:

> On Saturday, November 15, 2014 03:10:10 PM Valorie Zimmerman wrote:
> > On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Scarlett Clark <sgclark at kubuntu.org>
> wrote:
> > > On Saturday, November 15, 2014 11:42:20 AM Clay Weber wrote:
> > >> On Saturday, November 15, 2014 02:32:05 AM Valorie Zimmerman
> wrote:
> > >> > Hello, I helped a user through the painful process of upgrading in
> > >> > #kubuntu last night. He encountered the same issues I did:
> > >> >
> > >> > 1. wireless stopped working
> > >> >
> > >> > 2. blank or unresponsive screen
> > >> >
> > >> > I held his hand while he repeated the suggested steps to upgrading
> in
> > >> > the console one more time, plus had him remove lightdm. I asked him
> to
> > >> > look in his bash history to check that he indeed *had* done all the
> > >> > steps correctly the first time, but never got a reply to that
> > >> > question. So perhaps he made a typo at some point, or did things out
> > >> > of order.
> > >> >
> > >> > That said, why is wireless still getting stopped in the /next ppa?
> And
> > >> > why is lightdm still not being removed when SDDM is chosen?
> > >> >
> > >> > We have people who held off a few weeks for things to settle down,
> > >> > which is prudent. But IMO things have NOT improved, and we owe
> them
> > >> > better. It makes it difficult for people to test Plasma 5 if they
> > >> > can't successfully install it with the tools we give them.
> > >> >
> > >> > Note: http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu says:
> > >> >
> > >> > Install from Kubuntu 14.10 with Plasma 4
> > >> >
> > >> > If you are running Kubuntu 14.10 with Plasma 4 you can install
> Plasma
> > >> > 5 packages with these commands. This will replace your Plasma 4
> > >> > desktop and much of the software. No upgrade will be supported and
> you
> > >> > may have to reinstall to revert back to Plasma 4.
> > >> >
> > >> > sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/next
> > >> > sudo apt update
> > >> > sudo apt install kubuntu-plasma5-desktop  [it will ask if you want
> to
> > >> > set use the new SDDM as login manager]
> > >> > sudo apt full-upgrade
> > >> > sudo reboot [save any work first]
> > >>
> > >> Oddly, when running apt-update, it displays this :
> > >>
> > >> Reading state information... Done
> > >> 22 packages can be upgraded. Run 'apt list --upgradable' to see them.
> > >>
> > >> Doing the suggested command outputs this:
> > >> gus at gus-HP-Compaq-6000-Pro-SFF-PC:~$ apt list --upgradable
> > >> Listing... Done
> > >> about-distro/utopic 1.50+git20140731.1 amd64 [upgradable from:
> > >> 1.0.1-0ubuntu1] gstreamer-qapt/utopic
> 2.2.0+qt5+20140826-0ubuntu1
> > >
> > > amd64
> > >
> > >> [upgradable from: 2.2.0-0ubuntu2]
> > >> gstreamer0.10-qapt/utopic 2.2.0+qt5+20140826-0ubuntu1 all
> > >
> > > [upgradable from:
> > >> 2.2.0-0ubuntu2]
> > >> kde-config-gtk-style/utopic 3:2.9.90-0ubuntu0~ppa2 amd64
> [upgradable
> > >
> > > from:
> > >> 3:2.2.1-1fakesync1]
> > >> kde-config-whoopsie/utopic 14.10ubuntu0+git20140731.1 amd64
> > >
> > > [upgradable
> > >
> > >> from: 14.04ubuntu2]
> > >> kinfocenter/utopic 4:5.1.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa1 amd64
> > >
> > > [upgradable from:
> > >> 4:4.11.12-0ubuntu1.1]
> > >> kmenuedit/utopic 4:5.1.1-0ubuntu2~ubuntu14.10~ppa1 amd64
> > >
> > > [upgradable from:
> > >> 4:4.11.12-0ubuntu1.1]
> > >> kscreen/utopic 2.0.0~git20140827-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa1
> amd64
> > >
> > > [upgradable
> > >
> > >> from: 1.0.2.1-0ubuntu1]
> > >> ksysguard/utopic 4:5.1.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa1 amd64
> > >
> > > [upgradable from:
> > >> 4:4.11.12-0ubuntu1.1]
> > >> ksysguardd/utopic 4:5.1.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa1 amd64
> > >
> > > [upgradable from:
> > >> 4:4.11.12-0ubuntu1.1]
> > >> kubuntu-debug-installer/utopic
> 14.10ubuntu1+qt5+101~ubuntu14.10.1
> > >
> > > amd64
> > >
> > >> [upgradable from: 13.10ubuntu1]
> > >> kubuntu-driver-manager/utopic 14.10ubuntu1+qt5.1 amd64
> [upgradable
> > >
> > > from:
> > >> 14.04ubuntu10]
> > >> libqapt2-runtime/utopic 2.2.0+qt5+20140826-0ubuntu1 amd64
> > >
> > > [upgradable from:
> > >> 2.2.0-0ubuntu2]
> > >> plasma-dataengines-addons/utopic
> > >
> > > 4:5.1.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa1 amd64
> > >
> > >> [upgradable from: 4:4.14.2-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa2]
> > >> plasma-desktop/utopic 4:5.1.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa1 amd64
> > >
> > > [upgradable
> > >
> > >> from: 4:4.11.12-0ubuntu1.1]
> > >> plasma-nm/utopic 4:5.1.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa1 amd64
> > >
> > > [upgradable from:
> > >> 0.9.3.4-1]
> > >> plasma-widget-kimpanel/utopic
> 4:5.1.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa1
> > >
> > > amd64
> > >
> > >> [upgradable from: 4:4.14.2-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa2]
> > >> plasma-widgets-addons/utopic 4:5.1.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa1
> > >
> > > amd64
> > >
> > >> [upgradable from: 4:4.14.2-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa2]
> > >> qapt-batch/utopic 2.2.0+qt5+20140826-0ubuntu1 amd64
> [upgradable
> > >
> > > from:
> > >> 2.2.0-0ubuntu2]
> > >> qapt-deb-installer/utopic 2.2.0+qt5+20140826-0ubuntu1 amd64
> > >
> > > [upgradable
> > >
> > >> from: 2.2.0-0ubuntu2]
> > >> systemsettings/utopic 4:5.1.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa1 amd64
> > >
> > > [upgradable
> > >
> > >> from: 4:4.11.12-0ubuntu1.1]
> > >> ttf-oxygen-font-family/utopic 4:5.1.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa1
> > >
> > > amd64
> > >
> > >> [upgradable from: 0.4~git20140212-0ubuntu1]
> > >>
> > >> It looks like some plasma-next ppa packages are marked as
> upgradeable
> > >
> > > before
> > >
> > >> we actually try to install plasma5? These include plasma-nm and
> > >> plasma-desktop
> > >>
> > >> Note that if we do not do a full-upgrade *before* installing
> > >> kubuntu-plasma5- desktop, these packages are not installed.:
> > >>
> > >> 0 upgraded, 184 newly installed, 9 to remove and 22 not upgraded
> > >>
> > >> Is this what is causing
> > >> plasma-nm to "disappear"? Should the instructions have us do a full-
> > >
> > > upgrade
> > >
> > >> *before*
> > >> installing plasma5? Or would plasma-nm stop working in either case?
> > >>
> > >> > He correctly did these steps, but only after getting his wireless to
> > >> > work with a cli application, and after `apt remove lightdm`
> > >> >
> > >> > Valorie
> > >
> > > Ummm, wut? Upgrading 14.04 directly to 14.10 plasma5 is not possible
> as
> > > 14.04 does not have plasma5. So what needs to happen here is a
> complete
> > > upgrade 14.04 plasma4 -> 14.10 Plasma4 then when everything is
> stable
> > > and happy, aka apt is done and clean everything tested ... network etc.
> > > THEN you can go through the steps to upgrade to plasma5 as instructed
> on
> > > the wiki....
> > > Scarlett
> >
> > Right, the user had already done the upgrade to 14.10. Perhaps I
> > should have spent more time making sure that was a happy upgrade, but
> > he had already gone partly through the steps to switch to Plasma 5.
> > When he finally was able to do the full-upgrade step, there were only
> > a few packages. So I'm relatively sure he had fully upgraded first. I
> > certainly did so, and used 14.10 for a few hours before doing the
> > upgrade to Plasma 5.
> >
> > And I had to uninstall both lightdm *and* kdm to get things running.
> > As well as running nmcli to get any networking at all, including
> > wired. I got it going, but am dismayed that it is not any smoother now
> > than it was on day zero.
> >
> > Valorie
>
> Well trusty -> utopic -> plasma5 is a special usecase as several things
> changed between trusty and utopic and even moreso with plasma5. I honestly
> have not done this myself, so perhaps a WARNING on the wiki stating this
> usecase is known to cause problems and it is advised to do a fresh
> install. At
> least until someone can sit down and come up with a better plan.
> Scarlett
>
>
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