Upgrading from 14.04 to 14.10 Plasma 5 difficulties

[Scarlett Clark]

On Saturday, November 15, 2014 03:10:10 PM Valorie Zimmerman wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Scarlett Clark <sgclark at kubuntu.org> 
wrote:
> > On Saturday, November 15, 2014 11:42:20 AM Clay Weber wrote:
> >> On Saturday, November 15, 2014 02:32:05 AM Valorie Zimmerman 
wrote:
> >> > Hello, I helped a user through the painful process of upgrading in
> >> > #kubuntu last night. He encountered the same issues I did:
> >> > 
> >> > 1. wireless stopped working
> >> > 
> >> > 2. blank or unresponsive screen
> >> > 
> >> > I held his hand while he repeated the suggested steps to upgrading in
> >> > the console one more time, plus had him remove lightdm. I asked him 
to
> >> > look in his bash history to check that he indeed *had* done all the
> >> > steps correctly the first time, but never got a reply to that
> >> > question. So perhaps he made a typo at some point, or did things out
> >> > of order.
> >> > 
> >> > That said, why is wireless still getting stopped in the /next ppa? And
> >> > why is lightdm still not being removed when SDDM is chosen?
> >> > 
> >> > We have people who held off a few weeks for things to settle down,
> >> > which is prudent. But IMO things have NOT improved, and we owe 
them
> >> > better. It makes it difficult for people to test Plasma 5 if they
> >> > can't successfully install it with the tools we give them.
> >> > 
> >> > Note: http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu says:
> >> > 
> >> > Install from Kubuntu 14.10 with Plasma 4
> >> > 
> >> > If you are running Kubuntu 14.10 with Plasma 4 you can install Plasma
> >> > 5 packages with these commands. This will replace your Plasma 4
> >> > desktop and much of the software. No upgrade will be supported and 
you
> >> > may have to reinstall to revert back to Plasma 4.
> >> > 
> >> > sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/next
> >> > sudo apt update
> >> > sudo apt install kubuntu-plasma5-desktop  [it will ask if you want to
> >> > set use the new SDDM as login manager]
> >> > sudo apt full-upgrade
> >> > sudo reboot [save any work first]
> >> 
> >> Oddly, when running apt-update, it displays this :
> >> 
> >> Reading state information... Done
> >> 22 packages can be upgraded. Run 'apt list --upgradable' to see them.
> >> 
> >> Doing the suggested command outputs this:
> >> gus at gus-HP-Compaq-6000-Pro-SFF-PC:~$ apt list --upgradable
> >> Listing... Done
> >> about-distro/utopic 1.50+git20140731.1 amd64 [upgradable from:
> >> 1.0.1-0ubuntu1] gstreamer-qapt/utopic 
2.2.0+qt5+20140826-0ubuntu1
> > 
> > amd64
> > 
> >> [upgradable from: 2.2.0-0ubuntu2]
> >> gstreamer0.10-qapt/utopic 2.2.0+qt5+20140826-0ubuntu1 all
> > 
> > [upgradable from:
> >> 2.2.0-0ubuntu2]
> >> kde-config-gtk-style/utopic 3:2.9.90-0ubuntu0~ppa2 amd64 
[upgradable
> > 
> > from:
> >> 3:2.2.1-1fakesync1]
> >> kde-config-whoopsie/utopic 14.10ubuntu0+git20140731.1 amd64
> > 
> > [upgradable
> > 
> >> from: 14.04ubuntu2]
> >> kinfocenter/utopic 4:5.1.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa1 amd64
> > 
> > [upgradable from:
> >> 4:4.11.12-0ubuntu1.1]
> >> kmenuedit/utopic 4:5.1.1-0ubuntu2~ubuntu14.10~ppa1 amd64
> > 
> > [upgradable from:
> >> 4:4.11.12-0ubuntu1.1]
> >> kscreen/utopic 2.0.0~git20140827-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa1 
amd64
> > 
> > [upgradable
> > 
> >> from: 1.0.2.1-0ubuntu1]
> >> ksysguard/utopic 4:5.1.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa1 amd64
> > 
> > [upgradable from:
> >> 4:4.11.12-0ubuntu1.1]
> >> ksysguardd/utopic 4:5.1.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa1 amd64
> > 
> > [upgradable from:
> >> 4:4.11.12-0ubuntu1.1]
> >> kubuntu-debug-installer/utopic 
14.10ubuntu1+qt5+101~ubuntu14.10.1
> > 
> > amd64
> > 
> >> [upgradable from: 13.10ubuntu1]
> >> kubuntu-driver-manager/utopic 14.10ubuntu1+qt5.1 amd64 
[upgradable
> > 
> > from:
> >> 14.04ubuntu10]
> >> libqapt2-runtime/utopic 2.2.0+qt5+20140826-0ubuntu1 amd64
> > 
> > [upgradable from:
> >> 2.2.0-0ubuntu2]
> >> plasma-dataengines-addons/utopic
> > 
> > 4:5.1.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa1 amd64
> > 
> >> [upgradable from: 4:4.14.2-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa2]
> >> plasma-desktop/utopic 4:5.1.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa1 amd64
> > 
> > [upgradable
> > 
> >> from: 4:4.11.12-0ubuntu1.1]
> >> plasma-nm/utopic 4:5.1.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa1 amd64
> > 
> > [upgradable from:
> >> 0.9.3.4-1]
> >> plasma-widget-kimpanel/utopic 
4:5.1.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa1
> > 
> > amd64
> > 
> >> [upgradable from: 4:4.14.2-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa2]
> >> plasma-widgets-addons/utopic 4:5.1.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa1
> > 
> > amd64
> > 
> >> [upgradable from: 4:4.14.2-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa2]
> >> qapt-batch/utopic 2.2.0+qt5+20140826-0ubuntu1 amd64 
[upgradable
> > 
> > from:
> >> 2.2.0-0ubuntu2]
> >> qapt-deb-installer/utopic 2.2.0+qt5+20140826-0ubuntu1 amd64
> > 
> > [upgradable
> > 
> >> from: 2.2.0-0ubuntu2]
> >> systemsettings/utopic 4:5.1.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa1 amd64
> > 
> > [upgradable
> > 
> >> from: 4:4.11.12-0ubuntu1.1]
> >> ttf-oxygen-font-family/utopic 4:5.1.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa1
> > 
> > amd64
> > 
> >> [upgradable from: 0.4~git20140212-0ubuntu1]
> >> 
> >> It looks like some plasma-next ppa packages are marked as 
upgradeable
> > 
> > before
> > 
> >> we actually try to install plasma5? These include plasma-nm and
> >> plasma-desktop
> >> 
> >> Note that if we do not do a full-upgrade *before* installing
> >> kubuntu-plasma5- desktop, these packages are not installed.:
> >> 
> >> 0 upgraded, 184 newly installed, 9 to remove and 22 not upgraded
> >> 
> >> Is this what is causing
> >> plasma-nm to "disappear"? Should the instructions have us do a full-
> > 
> > upgrade
> > 
> >> *before*
> >> installing plasma5? Or would plasma-nm stop working in either case?
> >> 
> >> > He correctly did these steps, but only after getting his wireless to
> >> > work with a cli application, and after `apt remove lightdm`
> >> > 
> >> > Valorie
> > 
> > Ummm, wut? Upgrading 14.04 directly to 14.10 plasma5 is not possible 
as
> > 14.04 does not have plasma5. So what needs to happen here is a 
complete
> > upgrade 14.04 plasma4 -> 14.10 Plasma4 then when everything is 
stable
> > and happy, aka apt is done and clean everything tested ... network etc.
> > THEN you can go through the steps to upgrade to plasma5 as instructed 
on
> > the wiki....
> > Scarlett
> 
> Right, the user had already done the upgrade to 14.10. Perhaps I
> should have spent more time making sure that was a happy upgrade, but
> he had already gone partly through the steps to switch to Plasma 5.
> When he finally was able to do the full-upgrade step, there were only
> a few packages. So I'm relatively sure he had fully upgraded first. I
> certainly did so, and used 14.10 for a few hours before doing the
> upgrade to Plasma 5.
> 
> And I had to uninstall both lightdm *and* kdm to get things running.
> As well as running nmcli to get any networking at all, including
> wired. I got it going, but am dismayed that it is not any smoother now
> than it was on day zero.
> 
> Valorie

Well trusty -> utopic -> plasma5 is a special usecase as several things 
changed between trusty and utopic and even moreso with plasma5. I honestly 
have not done this myself, so perhaps a WARNING on the wiki stating this 
usecase is known to cause problems and it is advised to do a fresh install. At 
least until someone can sit down and come up with a better plan.
Scarlett