Upgrading from 14.04 to 14.10 Plasma 5 difficulties

[Valorie Zimmerman]

On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Scarlett Clark <sgclark at kubuntu.org> wrote:
> On Saturday, November 15, 2014 11:42:20 AM Clay Weber wrote:
>> On Saturday, November 15, 2014 02:32:05 AM Valorie Zimmerman wrote:
>> > Hello, I helped a user through the painful process of upgrading in
>> > #kubuntu last night. He encountered the same issues I did:
>> >
>> > 1. wireless stopped working
>> >
>> > 2. blank or unresponsive screen
>> >
>> > I held his hand while he repeated the suggested steps to upgrading in
>> > the console one more time, plus had him remove lightdm. I asked him to
>> > look in his bash history to check that he indeed *had* done all the
>> > steps correctly the first time, but never got a reply to that
>> > question. So perhaps he made a typo at some point, or did things out
>> > of order.
>> >
>> > That said, why is wireless still getting stopped in the /next ppa? And
>> > why is lightdm still not being removed when SDDM is chosen?
>> >
>> > We have people who held off a few weeks for things to settle down,
>> > which is prudent. But IMO things have NOT improved, and we owe them
>> > better. It makes it difficult for people to test Plasma 5 if they
>> > can't successfully install it with the tools we give them.
>> >
>> > Note: http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu says:
>> >
>> > Install from Kubuntu 14.10 with Plasma 4
>> >
>> > If you are running Kubuntu 14.10 with Plasma 4 you can install Plasma
>> > 5 packages with these commands. This will replace your Plasma 4
>> > desktop and much of the software. No upgrade will be supported and you
>> > may have to reinstall to revert back to Plasma 4.
>> >
>> > sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/next
>> > sudo apt update
>> > sudo apt install kubuntu-plasma5-desktop  [it will ask if you want to
>> > set use the new SDDM as login manager]
>> > sudo apt full-upgrade
>> > sudo reboot [save any work first]
>>
>> Oddly, when running apt-update, it displays this :
>>
>> Reading state information... Done
>> 22 packages can be upgraded. Run 'apt list --upgradable' to see them.
>>
>> Doing the suggested command outputs this:
>> gus at gus-HP-Compaq-6000-Pro-SFF-PC:~$ apt list --upgradable
>> Listing... Done
>> about-distro/utopic 1.50+git20140731.1 amd64 [upgradable from:
>> 1.0.1-0ubuntu1] gstreamer-qapt/utopic 2.2.0+qt5+20140826-0ubuntu1
> amd64
>> [upgradable from: 2.2.0-0ubuntu2]
>> gstreamer0.10-qapt/utopic 2.2.0+qt5+20140826-0ubuntu1 all
> [upgradable from:
>> 2.2.0-0ubuntu2]
>> kde-config-gtk-style/utopic 3:2.9.90-0ubuntu0~ppa2 amd64 [upgradable
> from:
>> 3:2.2.1-1fakesync1]
>> kde-config-whoopsie/utopic 14.10ubuntu0+git20140731.1 amd64
> [upgradable
>> from: 14.04ubuntu2]
>> kinfocenter/utopic 4:5.1.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa1 amd64
> [upgradable from:
>> 4:4.11.12-0ubuntu1.1]
>> kmenuedit/utopic 4:5.1.1-0ubuntu2~ubuntu14.10~ppa1 amd64
> [upgradable from:
>> 4:4.11.12-0ubuntu1.1]
>> kscreen/utopic 2.0.0~git20140827-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa1 amd64
> [upgradable
>> from: 1.0.2.1-0ubuntu1]
>> ksysguard/utopic 4:5.1.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa1 amd64
> [upgradable from:
>> 4:4.11.12-0ubuntu1.1]
>> ksysguardd/utopic 4:5.1.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa1 amd64
> [upgradable from:
>> 4:4.11.12-0ubuntu1.1]
>> kubuntu-debug-installer/utopic 14.10ubuntu1+qt5+101~ubuntu14.10.1
> amd64
>> [upgradable from: 13.10ubuntu1]
>> kubuntu-driver-manager/utopic 14.10ubuntu1+qt5.1 amd64 [upgradable
> from:
>> 14.04ubuntu10]
>> libqapt2-runtime/utopic 2.2.0+qt5+20140826-0ubuntu1 amd64
> [upgradable from:
>> 2.2.0-0ubuntu2]
>> plasma-dataengines-addons/utopic
> 4:5.1.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa1 amd64
>> [upgradable from: 4:4.14.2-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa2]
>> plasma-desktop/utopic 4:5.1.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa1 amd64
> [upgradable
>> from: 4:4.11.12-0ubuntu1.1]
>> plasma-nm/utopic 4:5.1.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa1 amd64
> [upgradable from:
>> 0.9.3.4-1]
>> plasma-widget-kimpanel/utopic 4:5.1.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa1
> amd64
>> [upgradable from: 4:4.14.2-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa2]
>> plasma-widgets-addons/utopic 4:5.1.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa1
> amd64
>> [upgradable from: 4:4.14.2-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa2]
>> qapt-batch/utopic 2.2.0+qt5+20140826-0ubuntu1 amd64 [upgradable
> from:
>> 2.2.0-0ubuntu2]
>> qapt-deb-installer/utopic 2.2.0+qt5+20140826-0ubuntu1 amd64
> [upgradable
>> from: 2.2.0-0ubuntu2]
>> systemsettings/utopic 4:5.1.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa1 amd64
> [upgradable
>> from: 4:4.11.12-0ubuntu1.1]
>> ttf-oxygen-font-family/utopic 4:5.1.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa1
> amd64
>> [upgradable from: 0.4~git20140212-0ubuntu1]
>>
>> It looks like some plasma-next ppa packages are marked as upgradeable
> before
>> we actually try to install plasma5? These include plasma-nm and
>> plasma-desktop
>>
>> Note that if we do not do a full-upgrade *before* installing
>> kubuntu-plasma5- desktop, these packages are not installed.:
>>
>> 0 upgraded, 184 newly installed, 9 to remove and 22 not upgraded
>>
>> Is this what is causing
>> plasma-nm to "disappear"? Should the instructions have us do a full-
> upgrade
>> *before*
>> installing plasma5? Or would plasma-nm stop working in either case?
>>
>> > He correctly did these steps, but only after getting his wireless to
>> > work with a cli application, and after `apt remove lightdm`
>> >
>> > Valorie
>
> Ummm, wut? Upgrading 14.04 directly to 14.10 plasma5 is not possible as
> 14.04 does not have plasma5. So what needs to happen here is a complete
> upgrade 14.04 plasma4 -> 14.10 Plasma4 then when everything is stable
> and happy, aka apt is done and clean everything tested ... network etc. THEN
> you can go through the steps to upgrade to plasma5 as instructed on the
> wiki....
> Scarlett

Right, the user had already done the upgrade to 14.10. Perhaps I
should have spent more time making sure that was a happy upgrade, but
he had already gone partly through the steps to switch to Plasma 5.
When he finally was able to do the full-upgrade step, there were only
a few packages. So I'm relatively sure he had fully upgraded first. I
certainly did so, and used 14.10 for a few hours before doing the
upgrade to Plasma 5.

And I had to uninstall both lightdm *and* kdm to get things running.
As well as running nmcli to get any networking at all, including
wired. I got it going, but am dismayed that it is not any smoother now
than it was on day zero.

Valorie