Kubuntu Council Elections 2013 - Nominations Closed

Rohan Garg rohangarg at kubuntu.org
Tue May 7 20:26:31 UTC 2013


On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Valorie Zimmerman
<valorie.zimmerman at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 2:47 AM, Ho Wan Chan <smartboyhw at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Valorie (and the other 3 election candidates) I have no problems asking
>> questions over e-mail. So, here are my two questions:
>> 1. After Canonical decided not to sponsor the Kubuntu Project, Kubuntu seems
>> more unwelcoming to Canonical decisions. For example, on the vUDS + rolling
>> release affair, both Jonathan Riddell (Riddell) and Harald Sitter
>> (apachelogger) wrote blog posts that even alarmed Mark Shuttleworth (sabdfl)
>> to reply. How would you try to improve the relations between Kubuntu and the
>> general Ubuntu Community, or even better, Canonical?
> Hmmm, I would characterize the events differently. We're all a part of
> the Ubuntu community. Getting Kubuntu membership gives us Ubuntu
> membership as well. Mark heads Canonical and as such, decisions there
> are taken without our input. On the other hand, while he established
> the Ubuntu project and gives himself final authority on major
> decisions, it is a *community* project, and there we have a voice.
> Dialog is where change happens, and a healthy dialog involves talking
> and listening both. We read Mark's blog posts, he reads ours, we
> listen when he talks at UDS and other meetings, and I believe that
> when we talk, he listens as well.
> At the one UDS I attended (Orlando), I talked with a lot of Canonical
> employees and found them friendly and interested in my experiences and
> opinions as a community member and Kubuntu user. Some of them are
> Kubuntu users as well. :-)
> We're involved in the wider Ubuntu community already. I just
> represented Ubuntu Washington this past weekend at LinuxFest
> NorthWest, as I've done in past years. I'm an active member of Ubuntu
> Women, and have presented Kubuntu at Open Week before, as well as
> running local Ubuntu events for my loco. I run torrents for ALL the
> Ubuntu flavor ISOs, and have been doing that for awhile.
> A few sharp differences of opinion are nothing to worry about. We all
> feel safe expressing ourselves, and expect to listen to our peers as
> they listen to us. Dialog is what it's all about.

I have to agree with Valorie here, I believe that Canonical should be
free to do whatever they want as long as they do it in a community
friendly way, instead of deciding things behind closed doors such as
Mir. Canonical provides quite some resources that make Kubuntu
possible ( Buildd's , PPA space, Automated CD building, etc etc ) and
I am quite grateful towards them for that. I have also interacted with
many Canonical employees at UDS's and it's always a enriching
experience to talk with them.

>> 2. Jonathan's blog post (
>> http://blogs.kde.org/2013/03/06/ubuntu-community-community) has made some
>> other Ubuntu official distributions a bit worried. There are IRC discussions
>> in Xubuntu's development channel and mailing list discussions in Lubuntu's
>> mailing lists. For most of them discussing, they felt unhappy. Of course
>> Jonathan has disclaimed that he isn't trying to tether up relations with
>> other people or flavours (I believe that), but then, how would you try to
>> establish better relations with other flavours?
> I participated in a vUDS session with a Xubuntu guy, and that went
> well. I don't have time to spend in all the flavor IRC channels, but I
> suppose randomly popping in occasionally would be a good move. I think
> all the flavors already participate with one another in LoCos, in the
> various Councils, on the wiki, forum and lists. I know that we have
> people from most if not all the flavors in the Ubuntu Women project.
> By the way, I consider Unity just one more flavor, even if it is the
> standard now.
> I hope that Canonical decides that spending money on a few community
> people each release for a real, face-to-face UDS is worthwhile. The
> virtual version is no replacement, in my opinion. There is nothing
> that creates friendships more than actually hanging out together.
> Short of that happening, I suppose the vUDS and IRC will have to do.
> Oh, and all of us who can, participating in our LoCos and other Ubuntu
> activities, outlets, councils, and so forth.

I am uncertain as to why that blog post has made flavors worried.
Could expand a bit more as to why they are unhappy? Canonical wants to
do Mir in order to tightly control the ecosystem which is probably
required on the mobile space. While they're free to do that, I do not
agree with the decision since they committed to Wayland  > 2 years ago
[1], and even going as far as promising to help KDE and GNOME with the
migration and then secretly went ahead and decided to go ahead and do
another display server to fragment the ecosystem further. This is
something that the community had no role in and was a huge step back
in collaboration with everyone.

IMHO all the flavors ( LXDE / XFCE / etc ) who want to move to Wayland
instead of Mir should get together and collaborate together to make
sure the Wayland stack on Ubuntu absolutely rocks and we're ready to
switch when our respective upstream's make the switch to Wayland.


Rohan Garg

[1] http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/551

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