Kubuntu Council Elections 2013 - Nominations Closed

Ho Wan Chan smartboyhw at gmail.com
Wed May 8 10:07:59 UTC 2013

Hello Rohan,

Thank you for your reply!

And anyways, I have decided to vote now. Philip and David, you are welcome
to answer the questions still, but I think I have made my choice:)

Thanks again!

Howard Chan (smartboyhw)
Kubuntu Member
On 2013-5-8 上午4:27, "Rohan Garg" <rohangarg at kubuntu.org> wrote:

> Hi
> On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Valorie Zimmerman
> <valorie.zimmerman at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 2:47 AM, Ho Wan Chan <smartboyhw at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> Valorie (and the other 3 election candidates) I have no problems asking
> >> questions over e-mail. So, here are my two questions:
> >>
> >> 1. After Canonical decided not to sponsor the Kubuntu Project, Kubuntu
> seems
> >> more unwelcoming to Canonical decisions. For example, on the vUDS +
> rolling
> >> release affair, both Jonathan Riddell (Riddell) and Harald Sitter
> >> (apachelogger) wrote blog posts that even alarmed Mark Shuttleworth
> (sabdfl)
> >> to reply. How would you try to improve the relations between Kubuntu
> and the
> >> general Ubuntu Community, or even better, Canonical?
> >
> > Hmmm, I would characterize the events differently. We're all a part of
> > the Ubuntu community. Getting Kubuntu membership gives us Ubuntu
> > membership as well. Mark heads Canonical and as such, decisions there
> > are taken without our input. On the other hand, while he established
> > the Ubuntu project and gives himself final authority on major
> > decisions, it is a *community* project, and there we have a voice.
> > Dialog is where change happens, and a healthy dialog involves talking
> > and listening both. We read Mark's blog posts, he reads ours, we
> > listen when he talks at UDS and other meetings, and I believe that
> > when we talk, he listens as well.
> >
> > At the one UDS I attended (Orlando), I talked with a lot of Canonical
> > employees and found them friendly and interested in my experiences and
> > opinions as a community member and Kubuntu user. Some of them are
> > Kubuntu users as well. :-)
> >
> > We're involved in the wider Ubuntu community already. I just
> > represented Ubuntu Washington this past weekend at LinuxFest
> > NorthWest, as I've done in past years. I'm an active member of Ubuntu
> > Women, and have presented Kubuntu at Open Week before, as well as
> > running local Ubuntu events for my loco. I run torrents for ALL the
> > Ubuntu flavor ISOs, and have been doing that for awhile.
> >
> > A few sharp differences of opinion are nothing to worry about. We all
> > feel safe expressing ourselves, and expect to listen to our peers as
> > they listen to us. Dialog is what it's all about.
> >
> I have to agree with Valorie here, I believe that Canonical should be
> free to do whatever they want as long as they do it in a community
> friendly way, instead of deciding things behind closed doors such as
> Mir. Canonical provides quite some resources that make Kubuntu
> possible ( Buildd's , PPA space, Automated CD building, etc etc ) and
> I am quite grateful towards them for that. I have also interacted with
> many Canonical employees at UDS's and it's always a enriching
> experience to talk with them.
> >> 2. Jonathan's blog post (
> >> http://blogs.kde.org/2013/03/06/ubuntu-community-community) has made
> some
> >> other Ubuntu official distributions a bit worried. There are IRC
> discussions
> >> in Xubuntu's development channel and mailing list discussions in
> Lubuntu's
> >> mailing lists. For most of them discussing, they felt unhappy. Of course
> >> Jonathan has disclaimed that he isn't trying to tether up relations with
> >> other people or flavours (I believe that), but then, how would you try
> to
> >> establish better relations with other flavours?
> >
> > I participated in a vUDS session with a Xubuntu guy, and that went
> > well. I don't have time to spend in all the flavor IRC channels, but I
> > suppose randomly popping in occasionally would be a good move. I think
> > all the flavors already participate with one another in LoCos, in the
> > various Councils, on the wiki, forum and lists. I know that we have
> > people from most if not all the flavors in the Ubuntu Women project.
> > By the way, I consider Unity just one more flavor, even if it is the
> > standard now.
> >
> > I hope that Canonical decides that spending money on a few community
> > people each release for a real, face-to-face UDS is worthwhile. The
> > virtual version is no replacement, in my opinion. There is nothing
> > that creates friendships more than actually hanging out together.
> > Short of that happening, I suppose the vUDS and IRC will have to do.
> > Oh, and all of us who can, participating in our LoCos and other Ubuntu
> > activities, outlets, councils, and so forth.
> I am uncertain as to why that blog post has made flavors worried.
> Could expand a bit more as to why they are unhappy? Canonical wants to
> do Mir in order to tightly control the ecosystem which is probably
> required on the mobile space. While they're free to do that, I do not
> agree with the decision since they committed to Wayland  > 2 years ago
> [1], and even going as far as promising to help KDE and GNOME with the
> migration and then secretly went ahead and decided to go ahead and do
> another display server to fragment the ecosystem further. This is
> something that the community had no role in and was a huge step back
> in collaboration with everyone.
> IMHO all the flavors ( LXDE / XFCE / etc ) who want to move to Wayland
> instead of Mir should get together and collaborate together to make
> sure the Wayland stack on Ubuntu absolutely rocks and we're ready to
> switch when our respective upstream's make the switch to Wayland.
> <snip>
> Regards
> Rohan Garg
> [1] http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/551
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