Kubuntu PowerPC builds

[Scott Kitterman]

Ho Wan Chan <smartboyhw at gmail.com> wrote:
>2013/8/1 Harald Sitter <sitter.harald at gmail.com>:
>> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Ho Wan Chan <smartboyhw at gmail.com>
>wrote:
>>> 2013/8/1 Harald Sitter <apachelogger at ubuntu.com>:
>>> If you don't care, why should we have it then?
>>
>> If we don't spend time on it and it is tested, why should we not have
>it?
>>
>>>>> Don't forget, we aren't exactly Lubuntu, who wants to support
>every
>>>>> single old computer.
>>>>> Alternate images are what Lubuntu still wants while we have
>already dropped it.
>>>>> Why should we drop alternate images if we can properly test it, as
>in
>>>>> coherence to our attitude?
>>>>
>>>> We didn't test them, that's why alternate was dropped.
>>> Think about this. We only have 1 tester for PowerPC. How many
>testers
>>> do we have for i386 and amd64?
>>
>> 1.5. And that 1.5 testers were kubuntu developers. Compared to ppc
>> which had 1 who was not a kubuntu developer.
>1.5. Seriously? I disagree. For the past few months our testing base
>has been increasing.
>We have one PPC tester. Lubuntu has 4. And 1 isn't enough for anything.
>>
>>> Alternate images  can have a lot of
>>> testers. PowerPC will have problems.
>>
>> Since no one wanted to test alternate images despite them being easy
>> to test but one person tests ppc despite being hard to test, doesn't
>> that say something about ppc?
>>
>Well, if you enable them I will test them.
>>>>
>>>>> So, what are the pros and cons of removing PowerPC image builds?
>>>>>
>>>>> Pros:
>>>>>
>>>>> Save testing time on PowerPC builds (and no need to wait for it at
>all
>>>>> before we can release betas or final releases)
>>>>
>>>> AFAIK we'd still have to wait for the other flavors and I don't
>think
>>>> we ever delayed a release for considerable amount of time because
>an
>>>> architecture that is not x86 based wasn't tested.
>>> Well, the only flavour who still supports PowerPC except us is
>>> Lubuntu, and that's because they really want to support PowerPC, and
>>> they actually spend time contacting release teams and testing even
>the
>>> dailies. Not in our case.
>>
>> What's the pro then?
>>
>I thought the pros are already listed by me...
>>>>> Don't have to rely on other testers
>>>>
>>>> If we are spending time testing while relying on other testers to
>test
>>>> then something went terribly wrong...
>>>>
>>> I am sure once we have to contact them since we aren't testing.
>>
>> 'ping, testing plz' is a substantial time investment.
>We can't just go and always say: "Hey Lubuntu, plz help us". They
>aren't being accustomed to Kubuntu, don't forget.

Don't be so tribal.  I ask for volunteers on #ubuntu-testing. Doesn't matter what they normally run. We do the same for amd64+mac.

Scott K