Kubuntu PowerPC builds

Ho Wan Chan smartboyhw at gmail.com
Thu Aug 1 13:42:56 UTC 2013

Hi Scott,

2013/8/1 Scott Kitterman <ubuntu at kitterman.com>:
> Ho Wan Chan <smartboyhw at gmail.com> wrote:
>>2013/8/1 Harald Sitter <sitter.harald at gmail.com>:
>>> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Ho Wan Chan <smartboyhw at gmail.com>
>>>> 2013/8/1 Harald Sitter <apachelogger at ubuntu.com>:
>>>> If you don't care, why should we have it then?
>>> If we don't spend time on it and it is tested, why should we not have
>>>>>> Don't forget, we aren't exactly Lubuntu, who wants to support
>>>>>> single old computer.
>>>>>> Alternate images are what Lubuntu still wants while we have
>>already dropped it.
>>>>>> Why should we drop alternate images if we can properly test it, as
>>>>>> coherence to our attitude?
>>>>> We didn't test them, that's why alternate was dropped.
>>>> Think about this. We only have 1 tester for PowerPC. How many
>>>> do we have for i386 and amd64?
>>> 1.5. And that 1.5 testers were kubuntu developers. Compared to ppc
>>> which had 1 who was not a kubuntu developer.
>>1.5. Seriously? I disagree. For the past few months our testing base
>>has been increasing.
>>We have one PPC tester. Lubuntu has 4. And 1 isn't enough for anything.
>>>> Alternate images  can have a lot of
>>>> testers. PowerPC will have problems.
>>> Since no one wanted to test alternate images despite them being easy
>>> to test but one person tests ppc despite being hard to test, doesn't
>>> that say something about ppc?
>>Well, if you enable them I will test them.
>>>>>> So, what are the pros and cons of removing PowerPC image builds?
>>>>>> Pros:
>>>>>> Save testing time on PowerPC builds (and no need to wait for it at
>>>>>> before we can release betas or final releases)
>>>>> AFAIK we'd still have to wait for the other flavors and I don't
>>>>> we ever delayed a release for considerable amount of time because
>>>>> architecture that is not x86 based wasn't tested.
>>>> Well, the only flavour who still supports PowerPC except us is
>>>> Lubuntu, and that's because they really want to support PowerPC, and
>>>> they actually spend time contacting release teams and testing even
>>>> dailies. Not in our case.
>>> What's the pro then?
>>I thought the pros are already listed by me...
>>>>>> Don't have to rely on other testers
>>>>> If we are spending time testing while relying on other testers to
>>>>> then something went terribly wrong...
>>>> I am sure once we have to contact them since we aren't testing.
>>> 'ping, testing plz' is a substantial time investment.
>>We can't just go and always say: "Hey Lubuntu, plz help us". They
>>aren't being accustomed to Kubuntu, don't forget.
> Don't be so tribal.  I ask for volunteers on #ubuntu-testing. Doesn't matter what they normally run. We do the same for amd64+mac.
Eh, it's #ubuntu-quality. And amd64+mac is recent hardware, PowerPC is
old hardware.
> Scott K
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