Kubuntu PowerPC builds

Ho Wan Chan smartboyhw at gmail.com
Thu Aug 1 12:29:52 UTC 2013

Hello Harald,

2013/8/1 Harald Sitter <apachelogger at ubuntu.com>:
> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Ho Wan Chan <smartboyhw at gmail.com> wrote:
>> However, a survey conducted by Russian Ubuntu users revealed that 80%
>> of users agree to the decision of removing such images.
> ~700 votes casted; and the voters had not been properly informed as it
> turns out.
Well sure, they are not informed of the TECHNICAL side of things. But
then, that's what a normal Ubuntu user would think of PowerPC.
>> So, I'm suggesting that we should change our attitude, and stop
>> building PowerPC images.
> As has been done at about every non-virtual UDS since forever. Latest
> conclusion (from I think the March Mumble Meeting) was that since
> build problems do not really occur (unlike with ARM for example) we
> want to keep it around for as long as we have someone testing the ISO.
> That being said, I do not know anyone who spends considerable time on
> Kubuntu for PowerPC, so I am not sure dropping PowerPC would have any
> impact on the developers. I for one don't care.
If you don't care, why should we have it then?
>> Don't forget, we aren't exactly Lubuntu, who wants to support every
>> single old computer.
>> Alternate images are what Lubuntu still wants while we have already dropped it.
>> Why should we drop alternate images if we can properly test it, as in
>> coherence to our attitude?
> We didn't test them, that's why alternate was dropped.
Think about this. We only have 1 tester for PowerPC. How many testers
do we have for i386 and amd64? Alternate images  can have a lot of
testers. PowerPC will have problems.
>> So, what are the pros and cons of removing PowerPC image builds?
>> Pros:
>> Save testing time on PowerPC builds (and no need to wait for it at all
>> before we can release betas or final releases)
> AFAIK we'd still have to wait for the other flavors and I don't think
> we ever delayed a release for considerable amount of time because an
> architecture that is not x86 based wasn't tested.
Well, the only flavour who still supports PowerPC except us is
Lubuntu, and that's because they really want to support PowerPC, and
they actually spend time contacting release teams and testing even the
dailies. Not in our case.
>> Don't have to rely on other testers
> If we are spending time testing while relying on other testers to test
> then something went terribly wrong...
I am sure once we have to contact them since we aren't testing.
>> Don't have to spend time squeezing size of those builds (like Lubuntu does)
> True. not much time is spent here though.
>> Remember: We are NOT Lubuntu.
> And PowerPC systems are NOT deprecated and ancient like say a PII or III.
> HS
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Howard Chan (smartboyhw)
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