kde telepathy?

[Scott Kitterman]

David Edmundson <david at davidedmundson.co.uk> wrote:

>>Sounds to me like Precise+1 is the better target then. Plus that one
>will not
>be LTS so it is easier to justify regressions over kopete (if any
>remain by
>that time :)).
>
>I am inclined to agree with you, as much as I don't want to. I
>genuinely think we're a much better product for most the vast majority
>of users, but the ones who are missing a feature they had in Kopete
>will kick up such a big noisy fuss and that will be bad for everyone.

I've seen this pattern when changes were introduced in LTS releases before. Similar problems in LTS+1 generally don't bother people. 

>Precise +1 should be with enough time for us to make 0.5, which will
>have most of these things sorted; logs (inc 'import'), video calls,
>kipi plugin, krunners, plasmoids, message filtering plugins (almost
>certainly not OTR though).  Most of this is being merged already.
>I don't think we need to wait until we're feature identical with
>Kopete because that would be silly. We're a different product, and we
>do a lot of things better already, and a lot of things differently by
>design.
>
>Could we still be an easily installable extra in the official Kubuntu
>repos though? We could do with additional helpful feedback, and
>otherwise we're in a constant chicken and egg situation of "we're not
>using you, you're not a well deployed tested product" + larger a
>userbase increases our chances of getting devs.

This is easy enough. Since the packages are already in precise, they are easily installable. 

>>> We already have a messaging indicator that supports email, IRC, and
>IM in
>> the systray.
>
>It supports KDE Telepathy not badly already (as anyone who's actually
>run it before jumping on this thread will know). The only problems
>are:
>1) it lists itself as empathy
>2) you get a notification from us as well. You can fix that simple by
>not installing/enabling ktp-approver.
>3) It doesn't notify you of unread messages in a chat window (only new
>incoming conversations, I'm not sure if we should or not?)

Yes, that was mentioned earlier in the thread, but I discounted since there was continuing reference to your presence widget in the systray. Regardless, there's work to be done.

I would also ask to to keep your tone civil. Comments like "as anyone who's actually run it before jumping on this thread will know" don't help us figure out the right thing to do. I am jumping on this thread to make sure I understand the situation correctly because I'm one of the Kubuntu Council members that will have to make the final call if there's no consensus. 

Scott K