Meeting Logs

[Jordan Mantha]

On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 2:20 AM, Ace Suares<ace at suares.an> wrote:
>
> Hi Jordan, thanks for the react, just answering a few short points while
> waiting to see if more people have an opinion:
>
>> Thanks for all the detail here. As I said on IRC, I think having this
>> particular discussion before the move would have been beneficial
>> considering the number of wiki pages affected.
>
> Duly noted. Also please note, that previous requests for comments have
> not delivered a lot of attention or answers. Still, a lesson learned.

Right, this is more of a, "in hindsight" kind of thing.

>> it might make more sense to use /MeetingLogs/Edubuntu/ for place to
>> put the logs and navigation.
>
> Indeed, I agree to that. And actually, it's quite simple to do so, Since
> if I move /Edubuntu/WikiSite/Meeting/Logs, it will ask 'include
> subpages' and whammy, ALL are moved. Great to work with the Wiki if you
> abide to it's structure!

Very cool, you've definitely learns some great wiki skills in the past
few weeks :-)

>>> There is still the issue of
>>> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Edubuntu/WikiSite/Meeting/Records/Archive.
>>
>> Can those be folded into the logs as with the other records? I don't
>> see a particular reason to carry the "Archive" as it's more trouble to
>> constantly update what constitutes an "archived" log than to just sort
>> by date and ignore the old stuff.
>>
>
> They are really in a totally different format, and it's not so easy to
> separate them and move them into single files. I think it's easier to
> leave then as they are, and just don't make an archive in the future,
> just keep with the new structure (in any location). Please look at that
> page and see if you see it feasible for someone (maybe me) to split that
> file!

OK, so maybe they can end up in the logs as an /Archive page. I'm just
trying to avoid /Records/ and keep everything as /Logs/ to avoid
confusion and having multiple places for the same kind of info. It's
not at all obvious what the difference between a Log and a Record is
or why they should be separated.

>> Redirects are a nuisance because they show up as regular pages in
>> normal searches, so they end up doubling the apparent pages.
>
> Exactly my thought. That's why I would want to get rid of as much
> redirects as possible, and there's a Task that states that, and a
> question on the agenda of 28-8 to address that, alas, no clear formula
> was formulated :-(

Minimize them, I think would be the vague formula. Don't move unless
you have a pretty good reason and check if a move/deletion is going to
break external links (you can do an advanced google search for links
to a particular URL). If it's going to break much, go ahead and put
the redirect in.

>> I think a
>> better course of attack might be to just use the location (my guess is
>> MeetingLogs/Edubuntu/) that has the most logs and move the other ones
>> to there.
>
> Right, but that would still 'break' pages that formerly where called
> /MeetingLogs/Edubuntu_2007-04-08 (not to mention those that where
> wrongly named in the first place).

Yes, but it might be worth it at that point. We're most likely going
to "break" pages, but we want to do it as little as possible to
achieve our goal. If the majority of pages can be in
/MeetingLogs/Edubuntu then that seems best.

>>
>> Yes that would be good, it is more of the issue for me.
>
> Please check https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Edubuntu/WikiSite/Tasks and look
> at the Specs one. It's been up there for quite a while and I suspect
> you'd want that discussed before it happens too. (It's been up there
> quite a while).

Yeah, moving Specs is a big no-no because they're often linked to/from
Launchpad.

> Also check https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Edubuntu/WikiSite/NewStructure,
> although it's not complete it details the WikiSite structure under
> discussion (since a month).

The thing is I think we need to make more use of the general
/Edubuntu/ namespace. WikiSite makes sense to me for stuff that's
specifically *for* the wiki. Things like headers, includes, and
planning pages for cleanup, etc. seem appropriate. I think the
following:

Edubuntu/WikiSite/Includes
Edubuntu/WikiSite/SiteImages
Edubuntu/WikiSite/StyleGuide
Edubuntu/WikiSite/Tasks

make sense, as long as the Tasks page is for wiki-related tasks. All
the other pages listed in NewStructure should just have the WikiSite
part removed.

-Jordan